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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:14 am Post subject: Re: end of suburbia?
pstarr wrote:
yesplease wrote:
mos6507 wrote:
People are going to bike 100 mile commutes
It's possible, although we have a long way to go before we get there IMO.
It's possible that bats will fly out of my butt, but then why do you waste people' time? This is, as is your usual case and modus operandi, pedantic crap. Don't you have friends? A life?
Find a mate. Don't spew this nonsense at Peak Oil. com. This place is for serious thinkers and problem solvers, not frivolous game-players. And remove me from your signature. post haste.
Not trying to be an asshole here - certainly not towards a fellow John Denver fan - but yesplease's post certainly seemed more constructive than yours.
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:28 am Post subject: Re: end of suburbia?
MrBill wrote:
It takes me roughly 90 minutes to bike 40 km (or 25 miles), and I am quite hot and sweaty by the time I get there. I think anything under 10 km by bike is really doable. Look at the Dutch. But then you really need a bike friendly city with bicycle paths. I think bikes are good in combination with a decent network of buses, trams, trains and underground. The European model. It already works. No need to invent something new.
Here in the UK recent figures show a small but noticeable rise in cycling. The Dutch have the advantage of a seriously flat country. But I agree, in urban areas and with a good network of cycle paths I am sure we will see cycling take off in a big way. I imagine the US would lag behind in this trend - people there seem just too wedded to their cars and the 'suburban' distances are that much bigger.
At some point the US government will have no choice but to commit to substantial and long term investment in local mass transit. I imagine the initial focus would be buses since you wont have to build the road infrastructure to take them. With light rail etc coming later.
The UK - as ever - is presently partway between the 'European' model and the US. Much more existing public transport than the US but poor in comparison to Germany, Netherlands etc. We have a long way to go but not on the scale of the US.
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: end of suburbia?
ThereWillBeMoreBlood wrote:
pstarr wrote:
yesplease wrote:
mos6507 wrote:
People are going to bike 100 mile commutes
It's possible, although we have a long way to go before we get there IMO.
It's possible that bats will fly out of my butt, but then why do you waste people' time? This is, as is your usual case and modus operandi, pedantic crap. Don't you have friends? A life?
Find a mate. Don't spew this nonsense at Peak Oil. com. This place is for serious thinkers and problem solvers, not frivolous game-players. And remove me from your signature. post haste.
Not trying to be an asshole here - certainly not towards a fellow John Denver fan - but yesplease's post certainly seemed more constructive than yours.
Is your 2 posts and vengeful username account a trolling account? _________________ anagami.net
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: end of suburbia?
ThereWillBeMoreBlood wrote:
pstarr wrote:
yesplease wrote:
mos6507 wrote:
People are going to bike 100 mile commutes
It's possible, although we have a long way to go before we get there IMO.
It's possible that bats will fly out of my butt, but then why do you waste people' time? This is, as is your usual case and modus operandi, pedantic crap. Don't you have friends? A life?
Find a mate. Don't spew this nonsense at Peak Oil. com. This place is for serious thinkers and problem solvers, not frivolous game-players. And remove me from your signature. post haste.
Not trying to be an asshole here - certainly not towards a fellow John Denver fan - but yesplease's post certainly seemed more constructive than yours.
On the contrary, pstarr's post made more sense.
or do you wish to sacrifice your credibility (much like yesplease) by arguing people will bicycle for 100 miles? There's a reason why yesplease is on my ignore list.
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: end of suburbia?
To: ThereWillBeMoreBlood
Let me tell you how it works here, EVERYBODY eventually gets a "reputation" if they stay long enough:
1) some people have a good reputation
2) some people have a bad reputation
However what we all have in common is we earned it.
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: end of suburbia?
cube wrote:
or do you wish to sacrifice your credibility (much like yesplease) by arguing people will bicycle for 100 miles? There's a reason why yesplease is on my ignore list.
Stop lying cube! I never said that people will bike for 100 miles, especially since the average driver in America only travels ~30miles/day, I said they can. _________________
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: end of suburbia?
yesplease wrote:
cube wrote:
or do you wish to sacrifice your credibility (much like yesplease) by arguing people will bicycle for 100 miles? There's a reason why yesplease is on my ignore list.
Stop lying cube! I never said that people will bike for 100 miles, especially since the average driver in America only travels ~30miles/day, I said they can.
I'm not convinced they can, I think they possibly could if they were in better shape and the North American climate weren't so severe.
can
1.
a. Used to indicate physical or mental ability:
could
2. Used with hypothetical or conditional force: _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: end of suburbia?
Ludi wrote:
I'm not convinced they can, I think they possibly could if they were in better shape and the North American climate weren't so severe.
can
1.
a. Used to indicate physical or mental ability:
could
2. Used with hypothetical or conditional force:
Don'tcha think it'd be a good idea to ask someone what they mean before assuming you known what they mean? I mean, if you feel like picking what you think is the best definition of what I said, I ain't gonna stop you, but in the interests of accuracy asking about it would probably be best. Not that I'm assuming you are or aren't interested in accuracy.
can
6. to have the possibility:
could
6. to have the possibility:
Although, the ease of installing an electric system in a velomobile would allow for significant range regardless of fitness level. The only downside being that the heavier among us would go as fast uphill. Two 750W scooter motors would be more than enough to average ~35mph since an efficient velomobile should only require ~350W at that speed. Drop $1500 in batteries and it'll do ~120-130 miles per charge as well as provide better acceleration than most compact cars. The batteries will do ~2700 cycles at ~80% dod before capacity drops too far to go 100 miles, so that's ~270,000 miles, or .5cents/mile. To put it in perspective even a Prius w/ four people all going to the same place from the same place costs five-six times more per mile. Since most people commute ~30 miles/day, we could easily get away w/ ~$750 worth of batteries, and since they wouldn't drop to a level that precluded commuting as quickly, they would cost ~.35cents/mile.
Then there's no required insurance AFAIK, lube/filter changes, emissions system, 740kWh potential bomb under the vehicle, etc... The costs per mile are likely a tenth of what a Prius would cost w/ maximum carpooling, and that difference will only increase as oil prices climb.
That being said, people can also dump tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands of dollars over a decade plus, into their cars, and complain about not having enough to afford a home or whatever it is that they want to complain about. No one's forcing Americans to waste energy and wealth, just strongly encouraging it. People can utilize velomobiles if they wish to stem their loss of wealth compared to alternatives.
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: end of suburbia?
I thought this was a discussion on how likely a 100 mile bicycle commute would be, then wham, right to EV's. _________________ "The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close. In its place we are entering a period of consequences…"
Sir Winston Churchill
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 11880 Location: zombie horde wonderland
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: end of suburbia?
yesplease wrote:
Don'tcha think it'd be a good idea to ask someone what they mean before assuming you known what they mean?
Nah, from now on, I'll just ignore what you say completely. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 11880 Location: zombie horde wonderland
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: end of suburbia?
Homesteader wrote:
I thought this was a discussion on how likely a 100 mile bicycle commute would be, then wham, right to EV's.
Well, there you go leaping to conclusions about what folks are talking about. I mean, geez, what are you thinking?
_________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: end of suburbia?
Ah Ludi, another name I remember.
Well peeps if you're going to have a pointless argument, at least do it properly.
The velomobile Hour record is currently at 86.752mph this is naturally a super fit bod on a super efficient bike riding flat out for an hour, on a flat (no gradient) surface.
With all the will in the world you are not getting that efficiency out of your daily commuter velomobile.
My cycle nut buddy friends averaged about 20-30mph solidly on a high end road bike. (charity ride london to barcalona) The 1 hour record for normal bikes is in the region of 50mph, so they're doing about 1/2 of the record bearing in mind they're going further in the day, aren't as fit and won't have as efficient a bike.
SO lets say these American velomobile commuters manage that same 1/2 of the record, that gives them a speed of 43.376mph
To do a 100miles commute round trip is 200 miles, so 200 / 43.376 ~ 4 and a 1/2 hours.
There's a news story on the Reg about a guy with a 7 hour commute.
SO, it seems that yes people could do a 100 mile commute on pedal power.
This is all just hot air though as living in suburbia is inefficient for delivery of goods, commuting, provision of services (education, health etc), heating homes...
And those inefficiencies are going to become alot more important soon.
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: end of suburbia?
Ludi wrote:
Homesteader wrote:
I thought this was a discussion on how likely a 100 mile bicycle commute would be, then wham, right to EV's.
Well, there you go leaping to conclusions about what folks are talking about. I mean, geez, what are you thinking?
It'd technically be a hybrid unless the owner yanked the bike drivetrain, but yeah, EV seems reasonable since, a vehicle w/ batteries and an electric motor is Electric and a Vehicle AFAIK. So there really isn't much to ask about. _________________
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: end of suburbia?
BlueGhostNo2 wrote:
SO lets say these American velomobile commuters manage that same 1/2 of the record, that gives them a speed of 43.376mph
To do a 100miles commute round trip is 200 miles, so 200 / 43.376 ~ 4 and a 1/2 hours.
There's a news story on the Reg about a guy with a 7 hour commute.
SO, it seems that yes people could do a 100 mile commute on pedal power.
How do you post that picture of that guy saying "Jeez, not this crap again".
Yeah, the 4.5 hour bicycle commute, that'll catch right on amongst the masses. _________________ "The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close. In its place we are entering a period of consequences…"
Sir Winston Churchill
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