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Will Peakoil.com Survive?
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ReducedToZero
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 1:17 am    Post subject: Will Peakoil.com Survive? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Basic question: Will Peakoil.com, and for that matter, large scale internet communication, exist post peak and during the peak?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 1:41 am    Post subject: Re: Will Peakoil.com Survive? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Yes. I expect the grid to stay up through the vast majority of the collapse. I also expect the powers that be to protect the internet as a vital peak oil mitigator (i.e. telecommuting, teleconferencing vs. travel). If it gets so bad that the internet goes down for the count I think few of us will care anymore because we'll be beating back zombies.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:42 am    Post subject: Re: Will Peakoil.com Survive? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The internet will survive, BUT it will be 100% controlled by TPTB

U Tube ruling yesterday just the start.

Electricity to run your computer, will be availiable, BUT will you be able to afford it ????????????????????????

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:55 am    Post subject: Re: Will Peakoil.com Survive? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

$50-100 can pick up something that'll browse the interwebs and crack/hop on any available AP given a reasonable amount of time. Toss in a solar panel, inverter, and a couple dry lead acid batterie for another few hundred and that should do anyone for 5-10 years.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:48 am    Post subject: Re: Will Peakoil.com Survive? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It will survive but we will need your help.

Servers aren't free and we need donations to keep this boat afloat.

Next time Dan puts out the digital collection plate, please send a few bucks.

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:01 am    Post subject: Re: Will Peakoil.com Survive? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

ReducedToZero wrote:
for that matter, large scale internet communication, exist post peak and during the peak?


Unknowable about PO.com (likely no).

About internet: yes, but not in current form. Much less privacy by default.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:24 am    Post subject: Re: Will Peakoil.com Survive? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

btu2012 wrote:

Unknowable about PO.com (likely no).


Don't you know that in the time of crisis and revolution, the first thing to do is to find "defeatists" and either execute them or herd them to a concentration camp? You guys have left useful records that will be used to track you down when PO.com is shut down for its subversive content. Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:24 am    Post subject: Re: Will Peakoil.com Survive? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Sorry to hijack this thread but I've been trying to post a new one and I keep getting error messages.

Can anyone recommend a good PO-related website in spanish?? I want to share this info with my friends and family here in Mexico.

thanks, and again sorry for the hijack.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Will Peakoil.com Survive? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Internet will be wiped out by 3 things :

1st stage) End of advertising as capitalism will collapse. Servers are expensive to maintain. Far less connections as far less people will be able to have internet at home : Computers will become very expensive, just as connections. Population will be too busy trying to spend money on food.

2nd stage) Ending of democracy. Internet is a tool usable to make a revolution or to allow people to organize themselves against politics/police/army... In order to avoid the loss of their power, the governments will want to control or forbid Internet. Peak oil forums could be considered as crowded by terrorists.

3rd stage) Grid collapse. Look to Olduvai theory. Lack of oil/uranium/gaz will end in longer and longer blackouts until electricity becomes history.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Will Peakoil.com Survive? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think PO.com will not necessarily collapse but instead be abandoned.
Once the word gets out to the point that EVERYBODY is talking about it from the coffee shops to the Oprah Winfrey show what purpose will this website serve? If you can get information about PO everywhere else then why go to this website?
Furthermore once PO becomes totally accepted, what's the point in having theoretical debates about the effects of PO when you'll literally be living it in real time.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Will Peakoil.com Survive? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Anyone know whether internet porn will continue post-PO?


(not that I've ever used it ........ or ever had a familiarity with it's contents)
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Will Peakoil.com Survive? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I dunno about that. People seem to like shouting matches, and if it's in the interest of someone who stands to make a lot of money, they will be encouraged. Definitely hasn't stopped discussion of GHG emissions.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:33 am    Post subject: Re: Will Peakoil.com Survive? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Sys1 wrote:

Lack of oil/uranium/gaz will end in longer and longer blackouts until electricity becomes history.


Electricity will be the last technology we lose. There are just too many ways to make it. Even if the grid goes down, people will rig their own minimal power generating solutions.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:57 am    Post subject: Re: Will Peakoil.com Survive? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

PO.com will not survive.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:37 am    Post subject: Re: Will Peakoil.com Survive? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think that eventually, we will lose the infrastructure of the internet as we know it. If we end up in some sustainable utopia post-peak (after the initial tumult), I don't see how we will be able to replace ageing routing hardware. I guess we would be able to make some form of equipment from transistors etc, but the current high-speed stuff may eventually disappear.
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