Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany
Nah, we've been taking our "Arrogance and Entitlement" courses from the Americans...
All joking/snide comments aside, what impact does the separation of Ireland have on the future Russian monopoly on gas, and the EU attempts to forestall/prevent said monopoly? _________________ We've tried nothin' and we're all out of ideas.
I am only one. I can only do what one can do. But what one can do, I will do. -- John Seymour.
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany
Ebyss wrote:
Nah, we've been taking our "Arrogance and Entitlement" courses from the Americans...
All joking/snide comments aside, what impact does the separation of Ireland have on the future Russian monopoly on gas, and the EU attempts to forestall/prevent said monopoly?
Accusing the Russians of monopolising what is in effect their own resource to do with as they choose (and also seeking to outmaneouvre them in that mission) is the equivalent of the English accusing you guys of monopolising Irish soil/resources during the days of your resistance struggle (and the taking of a similar stance with regard to that struggle would have smacked of opportunism back then). Ireland is yours, likewise the Russians, Russia, and all that is above and beneath Russian soil.
The West demands Russian resources on their own terms, in much the same way that the English did with you guys. The least one can do in this situation given your own chequered and recent/ongoing history and with due regard to the values of the Irish struggle for sovereignty, is extend the Russians a similar courtesy.
Behind the EU stands the might of the US (and the old English aristocracy, I might add.) _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate!
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany
The Republic of Ireland is one of the richest, most developed, and most peaceful countries on the planet.
It has a strict neutrality stance and has not wasted its resources on unnecessary military expenditures. Of course, that's easy when your living next to a couple of large, powerful, friendly countries.
Ireland has a strong welfare state, low taxes, strong economic growth, a great degree of social equality, etc.
Hate the USA all you want, americandream but there is very little to hate about Ireland.
As for unification, they are currently peacefully working towards a solution to the Northern Ireland "problem".
As for the UK's role:
"The British government agree that it is for the people of the island of Ireland alone, by agreement between the two parts respectively, to exercise their right of self- determination on the basis of consent, freely and concurrently given, North and South, to bring about a united Ireland, if that is their wish."
Give it 10 years, there will be a solution of some kind that all parties can agree to. _________________ "www.peakoil.com is the Myspace of the Apocalypse."
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany
Tyler_JC wrote:
The Republic of Ireland is one of the richest, most developed, and most peaceful countries on the planet.
It has a strict neutrality stance and has not wasted its resources on unnecessary military expenditures. Of course, that's easy when your living next to a couple of large, powerful, friendly countries.
Ireland has a strong welfare state, low taxes, strong economic growth, a great degree of social equality, etc.
Hate the USA all you want, americandream but there is very little to hate about Ireland.
As for unification, they are currently peacefully working towards a solution to the Northern Ireland "problem".
As for the UK's role:
"The British government agree that it is for the people of the island of Ireland alone, by agreement between the two parts respectively, to exercise their right of self- determination on the basis of consent, freely and concurrently given, North and South, to bring about a united Ireland, if that is their wish."
Give it 10 years, there will be a solution of some kind that all parties can agree to.
Lol....my roots are in Ulster Tyler. I worked in Larne, was educated in Coleraine....so I know what I'm talking about thank you! _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate!
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany
americandream wrote:
The West demands Russian resources on their own terms, in much the same way that the English did with you guys.
What a convenient lie. Russia was and is an imperial power interested in Eurasian hegemony. That's very different from Ireland.
Your head is full of communist propaganda. Do yourself a favor and learn the history of Russia.
Quote:
The Russian Empire was a state that existed from 1721 until the Russian Revolution of 1917. It was the successor to the Tsardom of Russia, and the predecessor of the Soviet Union. It was one of the largest empires the world had seen. At one point in 1866, it stretched from eastern Europe, across northern Asia, and into North America. At the beginning of the 19th century, Russia was the largest country in the world, extending from the Arctic Ocean to the north to the Black Sea on the south, from the Baltic Sea on the west to the Pacific Ocean on the east. Across this vast realm were scattered the Tsar's 150 million subjects, from poor, illiterate peasants to the noble families of great wealth. Its government, ruled by the Tsar, was one of the last absolute monarchies left in Europe.
The USSR was essentially the same territory as the Russian Empire, with a different organization. It added the buffer states of CEE as economic and political dependencies. The "Great Betrayal" of 200 million Europeans perpetrated by the Western powers at Tehran/Yalta/Potsdam.
Which resulted in mass murder of their intellectual, economic and political elites, and in 50 years of tyranny, socio-cultural destruction and mis-development.
Btu _________________ only the paranoid survive
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany
Anyway back on subject. What does Germany have to theaten Russia with? Are they going to throw sausages at them? _________________ "That's the problem with mercy, kid... It just ain't professional" - Fast Eddie, The Color of Money
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany
Kingcoal wrote:
Anyway back on subject. What does Germany have to theaten Russia with? Are they going to throw sausages at them?
They are one of the major investors in Russia. So this sausage may cost more than you think _________________ The poor complain; they always do,
But that's just idle chatter.
Our system brings rewards to all,
At least to all who matter.
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:58 am Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany
I don't think this is too much to worry about 'yet'.
Germany is building a pipeline in the Baltic Sea now and will get imports up until around 2015. They will be the best paying customer until then. But as the Euro goes hyper inflation around that time..Germany will likely be like Ukraine..either come up with the cash or no gas ...or Russian oil.
I expect around 2015-2020 time frame...that Germany will be getting very little Russian oil and gas
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