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Joined: Aug 03, 2007 Posts: 3617 Location: Boston Suburbs
Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Why Sweden will be One of the Worse EU nations Post Peak
craicher wrote:
I appreciate your idealism. You truly do have swedish blood as idealism is their mark.
How can you be on depression meds and idealistic at the same time? _________________ Peak oil is sort of like a mental Everlasting Gobstopper, except it tastes like ass and you can't get it out of your mouth.
Joined: Dec 07, 2005 Posts: 1811 Location: Australia
Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: Why Sweden will be One of the Worse EU nations Post Peak
Quote:
Swedes laugh at americans who are proud of their Swedish blood. They loves Blacks, and Hispanics, and Arabs, and you name it but they hate people proud of their European heritage. So, you won't get anywhere here. The Swedes are a suicidal bunch so no use trying to save a people who won't save themselves.
Absolute nonsense.
Swedes chuckle when they see clips from Minnesota of people learning Swedish and taking up traditional folks dancing etc.
That is not the sae at laughing at them.
Suicide rates are high up north where there is little sun-light during half the year. Combine that with a fair bit of boozing and a lack of women.
Finally, most Swedes are rasist (I use the term as somsone who generally is suspicious of or outright against some people becasue of their ethnic background) and absolutely do not love blacks, arabs etc. (probably less emotional about hispanics but Chileans aren't too popular either.)
But once again, politicians and media for a period made is socially unacceptable to say anything negative about an immigrant.
During most of the 80's media couldn't even mention if a crime was committed bya foreigner. Let's say there was a rape and papers went out with a descriptionof the rapist; it would say dark haired but never middle eastern looking or african looking etc.
After a whileyou could figure out that someone was of foreign background if the news would say that the person was swedish citizen. (Yeah, thats how silly it was. A man arrested for a series of rapes is a swedish citizen.... My dad worked at stockholms largest police house (kronoberg) so I often got the inside scoop)
It went as far that even discussing crime statistics was taboo.
You were not supposed to discuss what countires of origin was overrepresented in certain crimes but to just discuss other factors like poverty, possibly cultural missallignment, education etc.
As mentioned in an earlier post, there was an outroar amongst media, ethnic groups and politicians when a journalist/tv show host (Guillo) broke the ice to discuss stats related to theft by gypsies. (This would mark a turning point when glasnost started being reintroduced).
And one more thing that really pissed off a lot of people; Muslims many times got light sentence for rape becasue of "cultural misunderstanding".
Also foreigners can do any namecalling about swedes but for a swede to call an immigrant something may be illegal (svartskalle=black head is a hate crime).
And youth (especially second generation immigrants) often didn't feel assimilated and had total disrespect for law and society in general (this is still prevalent in many burbs and has spread to everyone including 100% swedes growing up in those areas. ). The worst of these were nick named "worsties" (vaerstingar - which doesn't translate well.). The government funded some programs where these people were sent out on multi-month trips sailing to the carribean etc. Don't have to tell you that we unpopular. It also turned out to be a complete failure as the kids were just partying and getting drugs wasn't too hard.
As discussion of problems is somewhat more open today, the people in controlling positions havne't really changed.
For instance singing the national hymn in schools at end of term or at national day is banned in many schools. Kids with a swedish flag on their clothes etc get sent home.
Yet, I remember when Estonia started breaking free from Sovjet.
Media and politicians were climbing over each other to give their support to this nations culture. They were getting congratulated for using their own national anthem, their own flag, dusting off old local culture etc. Very hypocritical.
One more anecdote: When in secondary school there was election year. Any party was welcome to agitate during lunch breaks. Turned of course out that one of the right wing groups was banned. We then had our own voting in the school.
The results were printed out and somewhere over 10% of the votes had gone to Nordiska Riks Partiet (Nazi party). The next day the list had been revised so that only the parties that currently were in parliament were listed.
(Some swedes would now say this was one of those schools were there are a lot of upper class brats that are known to be right winger, but alas no, it was a larger school in Stockholms southern suburbs.)
Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that surpression of discussion of problems etc has created a lot of repressed anger.
But as swedes are too timid to demand proper discussion and attention to these problems, they all just turn into closet rasists.
If you have read my other posts on Swedes (not just this thread) I am often mentioning how the Swedish psyche has been molded by TPTB over many decades. Hope this gives some further clarification to why I think this is the case and why I think Sweden is just a big NWO test ground for mass mind control. (And yes, fluoride mouth gargles were done in the schools when I grew up and after a few years absence has been re-introduced. This despite the drinking water already being fluoridated. Those of you who are new to this or thinks it sounds like non-issue, look up what fluoride is, does and what doctors who reearch it thinks. Amongst other good for sedation of minds.)
PS; DefiledEngine. That newspaper coulmn was just added as comic relif. They mixed up MC...as in motorcycle club..like hells angels !!???
Aeh, why am I explaning? Everyone else got it. _________________ Lets take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
You cant hide, run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
- Pet Shop Boys
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:22 am Post subject: Re: Why Sweden will be One of the Worse EU nations Post Peak
One correction: You are writing in past tense as though all of the suppression of the Swedish people was in the past. IT IS HAPPENING NOW!
And it gathers steam for every passing day! Sorry, Micki, I wish it weren't so but Swedes are just too pliable, to weak and passive. They generally do what Masta tells em' to. That is sad but true.
I don't think the water in Sweden is floridated.
Micki wrote:
Quote:
Swedes laugh at americans who are proud of their Swedish blood. They loves Blacks, and Hispanics, and Arabs, and you name it but they hate people proud of their European heritage. So, you won't get anywhere here. The Swedes are a suicidal bunch so no use trying to save a people who won't save themselves.
Absolute nonsense.
Swedes chuckle when they see clips from Minnesota of people learning Swedish and taking up traditional folks dancing etc.
That is not the sae at laughing at them.
Suicide rates are high up north where there is little sun-light during half the year. Combine that with a fair bit of boozing and a lack of women.
Finally, most Swedes are rasist (I use the term as somsone who generally is suspicious of or outright against some people becasue of their ethnic background) and absolutely do not love blacks, arabs etc. (probably less emotional about hispanics but Chileans aren't too popular either.)
But once again, politicians and media for a period made is socially unacceptable to say anything negative about an immigrant.
During most of the 80's media couldn't even mention if a crime was committed bya foreigner. Let's say there was a rape and papers went out with a descriptionof the rapist; it would say dark haired but never middle eastern looking or african looking etc.
After a whileyou could figure out that someone was of foreign background if the news would say that the person was swedish citizen. (Yeah, thats how silly it was. A man arrested for a series of rapes is a swedish citizen.... My dad worked at stockholms largest police house (kronoberg) so I often got the inside scoop)
It went as far that even discussing crime statistics was taboo.
You were not supposed to discuss what countires of origin was overrepresented in certain crimes but to just discuss other factors like poverty, possibly cultural missallignment, education etc.
As mentioned in an earlier post, there was an outroar amongst media, ethnic groups and politicians when a journalist/tv show host (Guillo) broke the ice to discuss stats related to theft by gypsies. (This would mark a turning point when glasnost started being reintroduced).
And one more thing that really pissed off a lot of people; Muslims many times got light sentence for rape becasue of "cultural misunderstanding".
Also foreigners can do any namecalling about swedes but for a swede to call an immigrant something may be illegal (svartskalle=black head is a hate crime).
And youth (especially second generation immigrants) often didn't feel assimilated and had total disrespect for law and society in general (this is still prevalent in many burbs and has spread to everyone including 100% swedes growing up in those areas. ). The worst of these were nick named "worsties" (vaerstingar - which doesn't translate well.). The government funded some programs where these people were sent out on multi-month trips sailing to the carribean etc. Don't have to tell you that we unpopular. It also turned out to be a complete failure as the kids were just partying and getting drugs wasn't too hard.
As discussion of problems is somewhat more open today, the people in controlling positions havne't really changed.
For instance singing the national hymn in schools at end of term or at national day is banned in many schools. Kids with a swedish flag on their clothes etc get sent home.
Yet, I remember when Estonia started breaking free from Sovjet.
Media and politicians were climbing over each other to give their support to this nations culture. They were getting congratulated for using their own national anthem, their own flag, dusting off old local culture etc. Very hypocritical.
One more anecdote: When in secondary school there was election year. Any party was welcome to agitate during lunch breaks. Turned of course out that one of the right wing groups was banned. We then had our own voting in the school.
The results were printed out and somewhere over 10% of the votes had gone to Nordiska Riks Partiet (Nazi party). The next day the list had been revised so that only the parties that currently were in parliament were listed.
(Some swedes would now say this was one of those schools were there are a lot of upper class brats that are known to be right winger, but alas no, it was a larger school in Stockholms southern suburbs.)
Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that surpression of discussion of problems etc has created a lot of repressed anger.
But as swedes are too timid to demand proper discussion and attention to these problems, they all just turn into closet rasists.
If you have read my other posts on Swedes (not just this thread) I am often mentioning how the Swedish psyche has been molded by TPTB over many decades. Hope this gives some further clarification to why I think this is the case and why I think Sweden is just a big NWO test ground for mass mind control. (And yes, fluoride mouth gargles were done in the schools when I grew up and after a few years absence has been re-introduced. This despite the drinking water already being fluoridated. Those of you who are new to this or thinks it sounds like non-issue, look up what fluoride is, does and what doctors who reearch it thinks. Amongst other good for sedation of minds.)
PS; DefiledEngine. That newspaper coulmn was just added as comic relif. They mixed up MC...as in motorcycle club..like hells angels !!???
Aeh, why am I explaning? Everyone else got it.
Joined: Dec 07, 2005 Posts: 1811 Location: Australia
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:05 am Post subject: Re: Why Sweden will be One of the Worse EU nations Post Peak
Quote:
I don't think the water in Sweden is floridated.
Hmm, not totally up to date with how it is today. I know the matter was juggled back and forth from the 50's and after a decision not to add fluoride to water some cities still have exception.
I did a quick search and learnt that at least now, Sweden doesn't add fluoride to drinking water. Or at least shouldn't.....
But then I saw this from Lycksele council:
Too high fluoride levels in drinking water
It basically says; Here you can see which waterworks have a bit too high levels of fluride. This water use should be limited for children up to 1.5 years old.
Maybe Swedish water naturally has some or even high fluoride levels??? _________________ Lets take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
You cant hide, run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
- Pet Shop Boys
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:20 am Post subject: Re: Why Sweden will be One of the Worse EU nations Post Peak
Yes, water can be naturally floridated.
I think Ireland is the only country in the EU that floridates.
Micki wrote:
Quote:
I don't think the water in Sweden is floridated.
Hmm, not totally up to date with how it is today. I know the matter was juggled back and forth from the 50's and after a decision not to add fluoride to water some cities still have exception.
I did a quick search and learnt that at least now, Sweden doesn't add fluoride to drinking water. Or at least shouldn't.....
But then I saw this from Lycksele council:
Too high fluoride levels in drinking water
It basically says; Here you can see which waterworks have a bit too high levels of fluride. This water use should be limited for children up to 1.5 years old.
Maybe Swedish water naturally has some or even high fluoride levels???
Joined: May 27, 2008 Posts: 69 Location: middle of the USA
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:41 am Post subject: Re: Why Sweden will be One of the Worse EU nations Post Peak
Quote:
How can you be on depression meds and idealistic at the same time?
That's easy enough. I get angry at others so there is enough energy to NOT fall into depression. This isn't really a good solution, though. It's better to just take the antidepressants.
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Why Sweden will be One of the Worse EU nations Post Peak
Shame, I will really miss IKEA.
Value for money furniture, even though half of it is made in China.
Dont know what they put in our water. Chlorine I think. Stinks but tastes nice ??!!. Comes from the nearby moorland. Sheep pee in it so I suppose they have to do something.
I allways imagined Swedes to be forward thinking, organized people. Everybody's changing - too damn quickly.
Gasmon _________________ Constantus excrementia et level variatum
Were allways in the sh|t, its only the depth that varies
Joined: Dec 07, 2005 Posts: 1811 Location: Australia
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: Why Sweden will be One of the Worse EU nations Post Peak
Craicher, when I first clicked the link it came up with two nice chicks kissing. So I thought you were posting something pro-Sweden.
Not that there is anything wrong with gay....
Quote:
As they say in the Czech Rep. when putting their kids to bed,
"Watch out or the Swede will get you!"
This must be from the viking or possibly from Swedens superpower days. Definetly pro-swedish. _________________ Lets take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
You cant hide, run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
- Pet Shop Boys
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:14 am Post subject: Re: Why Sweden will be One of the Worse EU nations Post Peak
Re: heating and sufficient biomass reserves.
I presume you have a centralized heating network in urban areas ("fjaerrvaerme")? Even if the system isn't running on biomass now, it shouldn't be an impossible task to convert, for example, a coal/NG power plant to use wood (in pieces of the most optimal size). And when the heating network is already in place, the transition could run pretty smoothly to those connected. Not so easy for individual house owners who are heating with oil...
It's true that spruce and pine don't hold as much heating energy as birch or hardwoods, but considering the sheer number of Swedish forest reserves, it's not fatal. Besides, climate change will boost birch and hardwoods growth in the coming decades. Turning the indoor temperature down from 21 C to 18 C (comfort minimum) could save well over 10% of heating energy. Plus, the heating includes now a lot of office space that will be empty when the economy has tanked.
Post-PO, I'd feel even better on the Swedish side of the Baltic than here, if it wasn't more easily reached by millions of migrating Europeans. Maybe you'll make them wood-choppers for food pay? _________________ "A devastating error is to set up a political system based on [individual] desire... the best dictatorship would be one where the government prevents any economical growth."
"Only scarcity and effort make life worth living."
-Pentti Linkola
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Why Sweden will be One of the Worse EU nations Post Peak
Yes, that is the fear for people like me who lived in the countryside:
That the cities will be heated by wood. If this were to happen Sweden's mythical forrest would dissapear in a heartbeat.
Not only that but wood would be impossibly expensive for most people. Please don't convert those fjarvarme!!! And please don't start burning wood in all the electic and heat generating garbage incinirators (i'm sure this is part of the backup plan as well as burning coal)!! Please!
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: Why Sweden will be One of the Worse EU nations Post Peak
craicher wrote:
Yes, that is the fear for people like me who lived in the countryside:
That the cities will be heated by wood. If this were to happen Sweden's mythical forrest would dissapear in a heartbeat.
I don't know the statistics in Sweden, but in Finland we already produce 20% of total energy output with wood. Coincidentally, 20% of energy use is used for heating. So, simplifiedly speaking, we could already heat all of our buildings with wood. (Only 1/3 of annual tree growth is used for energy - the proportion could be at least doubled, as paper industry downscales because of the depression.) I don't think it's very different in Sweden where most of the country is also covered by forest and you have more energy-intensive birch/hardwoods in the south.
craicher wrote:
Not only that but wood would be impossibly expensive for most people.
When millions freezing to death is a real possibility, the government most certainly won't let the price of wood stand in its way of saving the people - it could just confiscate the privately owned forests, with minimal compensations. (I'm not a socialist, just a realist.) A government failing to do that would be overthrown immediately. Anything that burns can and will be used, when people have realized the severity of the situation.
And any sensible government will make sure their immediate surroundings (the capital) will do okay as long as possible. Other big cities will also have a high priority.
craicher wrote:
Please don't convert those fjarvarme!!! And please don't start burning wood in all the electic and heat generating garbage incinirators (i'm sure this is part of the backup plan as well as burning coal)!! Please!
Try to repeat "please" to hungry, cold, disillusioned urbanites... ingen nytta. You could end up a relative "winner" if you have a productive farm on the countryside, though. _________________ "A devastating error is to set up a political system based on [individual] desire... the best dictatorship would be one where the government prevents any economical growth."
"Only scarcity and effort make life worth living."
-Pentti Linkola
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Why Sweden will be One of the Worse EU nations Post Peak
Yea, buggery really makes me think of the Vikings!
Micki wrote:
Craicher, when I first clicked the link it came up with two nice chicks kissing. So I thought you were posting something pro-Sweden.
Not that there is anything wrong with gay....
Quote:
As they say in the Czech Rep. when putting their kids to bed,
"Watch out or the Swede will get you!"
This must be from the viking or possibly from Swedens superpower days. Definetly pro-swedish.
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