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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:37 am    Post subject: Government asks stores to stockpile food Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Ministers are in talks with supermarkets about emergency food reserves in case fuel protests lead to shortages at shops.
The government wants to ensure retailers and suppliers can continue to sell basics such as meat, bread and milk if hauliers bring the country to a halt.
They have asked supermarkets to make contingency plans “in case the infrastructure of the country breaks down”.

Among those who have taken part are farmers, dairies, bakeries and supermarkets. more of the story
Front page story. Frightening.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:58 am    Post subject: Re: Government asks stores to stockpile food Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I must admit that over the last couple of years I've started to stockpile a few days worth of food for my family. Stuff like rice, tinned stuff, powdered milk, and the like - plus a camping stove with enough fuel to cook it. I've also got a solar battery charger and rechargeable batteries (but that may just be because I'm mean Very Happy ).
Maybe a weeks worth.

And I've taken a few other measures like installing a 150L water butt, and buying sterilisation tabs that would render the rainwater drinkable.
The odds of needing that stuff are low, but something like an all out truck strike may make it a lifesaver.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Government asks stores to stockpile food Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

hmm, yes I have stocked up as well with the similar stuff - wfie thinks I'm daft but pasta and rice keep and we eat them anyways
the stove was a campa one on the pretext we may go camping .....
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Government asks stores to stockpile food Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

newbonic wrote:
And I've taken a few other measures like installing a 150L water butt, and buying sterilisation tabs that would render the rainwater drinkable.

that's about what i have stored, 33 gallons in my case.
the story is on the page at link
if someone was reading a paper newspaper, does that mean it will be on the front page of the business section ?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Government asks stores to stockpile food Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hmmm...so the trucks that currently are striking (or cannot afford to haul currently) are being asked to help stores stockpile food.

Anyone else see something odd here?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Government asks stores to stockpile food Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

And how much can these stores stockpile anyway? I mean if they have transitioned to a just in time system do they really have the empty warehouse space sitting there yet to be utilized? Or did they get rid of the extra space over the last 20 years?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Government asks stores to stockpile food Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Not good, this. We've had a pretty bad strike in Portugal, lasted 4 days but nothing was coming through - and the result was not exactly widespread panic, but indeed stressing. There was a bit of a run on petrol stations, not on the stores.

People have become so used to having stuff at the shelves, nothing can make them fret.

Anyway, it's good. We won't be able to rely on long distance transportation at a cheap price somewhere in the future, so it's ggod if people learn what they have forgot they knew in the past - how to store food, storing thinking of a rainy day.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Government asks stores to stockpile food Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

CarlosFerreira wrote:
Anyway, it's good. We won't be able to rely on long distance transportation at a cheap price somewhere in the future, so it's ggod if people learn what they have forgot they knew in the past - how to store food, storing thinking of a rainy day.

basically, it means abandoning the Just-in-Time way of doing things that began to be implemented in Silicon Valley in the mid-80s.

i don't remember where the rule of thumb came from ... i do remember a "carrying cost" associated with having stock on hand, it was 35 %. when estimating costs for a project we would take the inventory and multiply by 1.35 to get a "total cost of inventory" ... so someone figured out that, if we would switch to JIT, we could reduce that "cost of inventory".
i didn't like JIT anyway.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Government asks stores to stockpile food Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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CarlosFerreira wrote:
Anyway, it's good. We won't be able to rely on long distance transportation at a cheap price somewhere in the future, so it's ggod if people learn what they have forgot they knew in the past - how to store food, storing thinking of a rainy day.

basically, it means abandoning the Just-in-Time way of doing things that began to be implemented in Silicon Valley in the mid-80s.
i don't remember where the rule of thumb came from ... i do remember a "carrying cost" associated with having stock on hand, it was 35 %. when estimating costs for a project we would take the inventory and multiply by 1.35 to get a "total cost of inventory" ... so someone figured out that, if we would switch to JIT, we could reduce that "cost of inventory".
i didn't like JIT anyway.

JIT for what, I am always late. I like to think fashionably late, but late none the less. If you are late for peak oil, does that mean you haven't run out yet?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Government asks stores to stockpile food Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

roccman wrote:
Hmmm...so the trucks that currently are striking (or cannot afford to haul currently) are being asked to help stores stockpile food. Anyone else see something odd here?

Isn't this odd too?
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“in case the infrastructure of the country breaks down”

A breakdown of infrastructure is somewhat more than a tad worse than some truckers not making their deliveries.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Government asks stores to stockpile food Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

wisconsin_cur wrote:
And how much can these stores stockpile anyway? I mean if they have transitioned to a just in time system do they really have the empty warehouse space sitting there yet to be utilized? Or did they get rid of the extra space over the last 20 years?

I can't remember exactly where i heard it, one of those "end of days" preachers i think, but i did hear something about the U.S. govnmt. keeping food stores for years and just emptying them out in the last couple of years or so. I don't know the reasoning behind it or even if its true, but i thought i'd throw that out there.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:12 am    Post subject: Re: Government asks stores to stockpile food Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

DantesPeak wrote:
roccman wrote:
Hmmm...so the trucks that currently are striking (or cannot afford to haul currently) are being asked to help stores stockpile food. Anyone else see something odd here?

Isn't this odd too?
Quote:
“in case the infrastructure of the country breaks down”

A breakdown of infrastructure is somewhat more than a tad worse than some truckers not making their deliveries.


Yes it is. You know the only answer is that the cost of goods has to rise. But then, if that happens demand will adjust downward and companies will be unable to grow and wages will remain stagnant reenforcing the trend.

I saw a really nice show called Upfront here in Wisconsin tonight. I liked the honest discussion about a range of issues, but I totally did not agree with the energy guy when he said it was proven that ethanol production did not increase food prices. Now, a big part of costs is labor, and EROEI is a fancy way of saying how much work you have to do to get a fixed amount of energy. So with ethanol from corn fliying high at what 2.5:1 compared to 30:1 for LSC how is it that people trained in economics don't get that all buy themselves (all other factors in the supply chain being equal) ethanol is much more expensive than LSC? And another thing, when you add a new demand component to a market, you increase overall demand and prices rise, tada! Econ 101 it's more useful everyday.

Back to the point, prices have to rise, companies have to accept a reduced market share meaning either unemployment or wage concessions. So, the result here at some point is not going to be infrastructure failure at first but rather higher prices and higher unemployment, and currency depreciation in those nations exposed to the worst. If there were to be shortages then yes unrest could blow over into outright failures of the system and rioting etc.

As long as Yergin is right about a nice slowly rising plateau out to 2030 and a smooth decline thereafter, we have plenty of time to adjust to the era of high priced oil. Four yergins is still a very good deal for the equivalent work of 500 personal servants for one year. Wink

BTW DP. I was expecting you at this point to be walking up the Capital steps with an 'The End is Near sign!' Are'nt you smelling the fear in the air? People are really concerned about all this stuff.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:36 am    Post subject: Re: Government asks stores to stockpile food Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

wisconsin_cur wrote:
And how much can these stores stockpile anyway? I mean if they have transitioned to a just in time system do they really have the empty warehouse space sitting there yet to be utilized? Or did they get rid of the extra space over the last 20 years?
Virtually all of the large food retail outlets are new built over the past 20-30 years. Alot of them quite recently. They did not get rid of the storage space because it was never there when built.

Home laders are the best place to stockpile food these days methinks.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:39 am    Post subject: Re: Government asks stores to stockpile food Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

newbonic wrote:
I must admit that over the last couple of years I've started to stockpile a few days worth of food for my family. Stuff like rice, tinned stuff, powdered milk, and the like - plus a camping stove with enough fuel to cook it. I've also got a solar battery charger and rechargeable batteries (but that may just be because I'm mean Very Happy ).
Maybe a weeks worth.
And I've taken a few other measures like installing a 150L water butt, and buying sterilisation tabs that would render the rainwater drinkable.
The odds of needing that stuff are low, but something like an all out truck strike may make it a lifesaver.
As North Sea oil runs low we are going back to the 70s. Back to the constant strikes, shutdowns power outages and the works. Keeping a bit of a buffer at home is just 100% common sense.

Hmmmmm I think Ill add some spare car batteries to the mix. Just to ride through any powercuts with the telly or at least a light to read by.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:40 am    Post subject: Re: Government asks stores to stockpile food Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

So are truckers in Europe gearing up for a second round of strikes?
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