I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: TOLD YOU SO fuel from food
So timmac biofuels are a good thing, huh? Yeah avocado-butt is back and pumping some nonsense again. The more things change, the more they stay the same. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: TOLD YOU SO fuel from food
pistar wrote :
So timmac biofuels are a good thing, huh?
So you you would rather we keep buying the black oil from our enemies and keep poluting the earth,, Bio-Fuels are not the answer but they are a better fuel than your black oil,, if you think the high price of fuel is not increasing the price of food then you are just stupid and blind,, Yea lets kill the Bio-Fuel program and slave our selves to just buy fuel from our enemies and make multi billionares out of all of them and drive our country broke,, good idea from a idiot....
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: TOLD YOU SO fuel from food
timmac wrote:
So you you would rather we keep buying the black oil from our enemies
Most of our oil doesn't come from "our enemies" anyway..
How about we just drive less? You know, the old powerdown thingy.
_________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: Re: TOLD YOU SO fuel from food
yeahbut wrote:
....
That's the trouble with publishing secret reports in the Guardian. Soon everyone knows about it
This remind me of a quote from the editor of Playboy.
Somebody once asked him: "can you keep a secret?"
reply: "why should I if you can't!"
//
Anyways getting back to the article I do agree that biofuels have helped push up prices but I totally disagree with the study which states it was a 75% increase. I do not believe it is possible to "calculate" such price increases. If it was possible to calculate such things then a person can play the commodity futures market an become the richest man in the world instead of wasting his time writing reports.
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: TOLD YOU SO fuel from food
cube wrote:
yeahbut wrote:
....
That's the trouble with publishing secret reports in the Guardian. Soon everyone knows about it
This remind me of a quote from the editor of Playboy.
Somebody once asked him: "can you keep a secret?"
reply: "why should I if you can't!"
//
Anyways getting back to the article I do agree that biofuels have helped push up prices but I totally disagree with the study which states it was a 75% increase. I do not believe it is possible to "calculate" such price increases. If it was possible to calculate such things then a person can play the commodity futures market an become the richest man in the world instead of wasting his time writing reports.
Certainly there must be a few tiny gray areas and a teensy bit of wiggle room if the US govt estimates the figure at 3% and the World Bank puts it at 75%. Seems like it's a big part of the picture tho.
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: TOLD YOU SO fuel from food
Yeahbut >>>>>>>>>>> Maybe he's playing the devil's avocado?
For your info I am not.........
You surly cant just beleave that some report or news says that Bio-Fuels alone has cause the high food prices all by it self,, many of you have read of very high fertilzer prices right,, do you know how much fuel is needed to grow food and transport,, How about those DVD's that most of you have watch that has said with high oil prices that cheap food will be a thing of the past,, [crude awaking,, etc],, but some one in the world bank makes a report and you seem to fall all over your self beleaving as if it was gospel,, many things are causing high food prices not just Bio-Fuel,, but with the way many people beleave this I think the next Prez will kill this program and it will be all for nothing,, and watch and see food price wont go back down then I can come back and say I told you so,,, Find the real truth at what is the real problem don't always beleave some hack story and run with it......... [$140.00 a barrel oil has no effect on food prices,, you have to be nuts...]
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: TOLD YOU SO fuel from food
timmac wrote:
Yeahbut >>>>>>>>>>> Maybe he's playing the devil's avocado?
For your info I am not.........
Always up for a laugh, eh timmy?
Quote:
You surly cant just beleave that some report or news says that Bio-Fuels alone has cause the high food prices all by it self,,
Just relax, take a couple of deep breaths, and have a wee think. The report has put the figure at 75%. Not "bio-fuels alone". That would be 100%. The report said 75%. See the difference now?
Quote:
some one in the world bank makes a report andyou seem to fall all over your self beleaving as if it was gospel
Another deep breath now.
yeahbut wrote:
Certainly there must be a few tiny gray areas and a teensy bit of wiggle room if the US govt estimates the figure at 3% and the World Bank puts it at 75%. Seems like it's a big part of the picture tho.
Does that sound like bllnd faith? And finally...
timmac wrote:
$140.00 a barrel oil has no effect on food prices,, you have to be nuts...]
Please direct me to where I, or anyone else in this thread, has made this claim. If you can't, go and sit in the corner until you're ready to play sensibly.
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: TOLD YOU SO fuel from food
Well maybe I got ahead of myself but 75% is just to huge of amount for just bio-fuels when we have seen oil raise 4-5 times in price in just the last 8 years, and all the other farm management problems around the world and the hack that wrote this story did not do his/her home work very well,, seems as if they want to take away the attention of the very high oil price and blame the problems else where,, now I will go to my corner.........
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:54 pm Post subject: Re: TOLD YOU SO fuel from food
timmac wrote:
pistar wrote :
So timmac biofuels are a good thing, huh?
So you you would rather we keep buying the black oil from our enemies and keep poluting the earth,, Bio-Fuels are not the answer but they are a better fuel than your black oil,, if you think the high price of fuel is not increasing the price of food then you are just stupid and blind,, Yea lets kill the Bio-Fuel program and slave our selves to just buy fuel from our enemies and make multi billionares out of all of them and drive our country broke,, good idea from a idiot....
timmac you need to spend some time researching biofuels here. Biofuels use diesel tractors, harvesters, etc. and cookers, fermentation tanks etc. that run on lots of electricity. Biofuels require more energy to grow and process then they contain.
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