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pstarr
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 Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: Signifigant Secondary Oil Recovery Report |
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| TheDude wrote: | It seems to be SAGD applied to conventional reservoirs. This obviously will only be applicable to very shallow fields. Note that they've only identified 250 in the US to apply this technique to. If I read this right that's 323 mb divided amongst the 5 fields in their acreage, too. Why they don't just drill horizontal wells and hydrofrac is another question - probably they're coming from the conventional mining industry and this is what they're good at. Roc or ROCK perhaps know more about this outfit.
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For the uninitiated, SAGD (Steam assisted gravity drainage)
| wiki wrote: | | . . . The injected steam heats the crude oil or bitumen and lowers its viscosity which allows it to flow down into the lower wellbore. . . |
note what that said: injected steam. You don't get to just drill a well, hook that up to a pipeline and stick the other end in your SUV. No. You got to drag a steam machine out to every single well and light up the fire, burn some wood or charcoal or whatever, get that steam down there etc. wait for the goo to melt, send it up etc.
This is called the bottom of the barrel or The Dregs. You don't run America on Dregs. God Dammit. 
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Hogan
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: Signifigant Secondary Oil Recovery Report |
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My PO.com cornucopian list:
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-AlexdeLarge
-JohnDenver
-YesPlease
-OilFinder
-OilFinder2
-nobodypanic
-Narz
-strontium
-NoWorries
Most of them are new board members. Somehow I'm not surprised. Did I miss anyone on the list?
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AlexdeLarge
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: Signifigant Secondary Oil Recovery Report |
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| Hogan wrote: | | My PO.com cornucopian list: |
A cornucopian?? No.......but maybe a Panglossian ! LOL
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Hogan
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: Signifigant Secondary Oil Recovery Report |
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| AlexdeLarge wrote: | | Hogan wrote: | | My PO.com cornucopian list: |
A cornucopian?? No.......but maybe a Panglossian ! LOL |
That's close enough. 
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OilFinder2
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: Signifigant Secondary Oil Recovery Report |
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| pstarr wrote: | | This is called the bottom of the barrel or The Dregs. |
Except, the bottom of this particular barrel just happens to be 161.5 times the size of the top of the barrel.
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OilFinder2
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: Signifigant Secondary Oil Recovery Report |
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| Hogan wrote: | | -OilFinder, -OilFinder2 |
Same person.
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pstarr
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject: Re: Signifigant Secondary Oil Recovery Report |
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| OilFinder2 wrote: | | pstarr wrote: | | This is called the bottom of the barrel or The Dregs. |
Except, the bottom of this particular barrel just happens to be 161.5 times the size of the top of the barrel. |
Since when is production rate a function of reservoir size? You know better than that.
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pstarr
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: Re: Signifigant Secondary Oil Recovery Report |
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| Hogan wrote: | My PO.com cornucopian list:
-TheAntiDoomer
-AlexdeLarge
-JohnDenver
-YesPlease
-OilFinder
-OilFinder2
-nobodypanic
-Narz
-strontium
-NoWorries
Most of them are new board members. Somehow I'm not surprised. Did I miss anyone on the list? |
I have one more for your list
| MonsieurX wrote: | | The idea that it's expensive to drill offshore in Brazil is laughable. |
He's talking about Tupi
Boy is MonsieurX ever wrong . . . and persistent. This is what Exxon chief executive Rex Tillerson has to say about the same field: "This new resource will be one of the most technically difficult and expensive in the world.”
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OilFinder2
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: Signifigant Secondary Oil Recovery Report |
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| pstarr wrote: | | OilFinder2 wrote: | | pstarr wrote: | | This is called the bottom of the barrel or The Dregs. |
Except, the bottom of this particular barrel just happens to be 161.5 times the size of the top of the barrel. |
Since when is production rate a function of reservoir size? You know better than that. |
I have a sneaking suspicion they'll eventually be able to produce at a greater rate from the 323 million barrel reserves than they currently do from their 2 million barrel reserves.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: Signifigant Secondary Oil Recovery Report |
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| OilFinder2 wrote: | | pstarr wrote: | | OilFinder2 wrote: | | pstarr wrote: | | This is called the bottom of the barrel or The Dregs. |
Except, the bottom of this particular barrel just happens to be 161.5 times the size of the top of the barrel. |
Since when is production rate a function of reservoir size? You know better than that. |
I have a sneaking suspicion they'll eventually be able to produce at a greater rate from the 323 million barrel reserves than they currently do from their 2 million barrel reserves. |
I have no idea why you would say that? How can you be confident those 323 million barrels, the last in the field and produced by a technology designed to extract bitumen, will move as quickly as the free-flowing 2 million?
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OilFinder2
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: Signifigant Secondary Oil Recovery Report |
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| pstarr wrote: | | I have no idea why you would say that? How can you be confident those 323 million barrels, the last in the field and produced by a technology designed to extract bitumen, will move as quickly as the free-flowing 2 million? |
1. How do we know that their first 2 million in reserves were all that "free-flowing," and,
2. Even if they were free-flowing, 2 million in reserves is diddly-squat. Even if that first 2 million in reserves were all 40 degree oil buried only 5,000 feet beneath the surface in very porous rocks, they're probably only sucking 20K bpd from it, or something like that. I find it quite easy to believe they can eventually suck more than 20K bpd from even the worst heavy gunk or most impervious "ceramic" in the world, if they're saying they've got 323 million barrels of it they're willing to add to their reserves.
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AlexdeLarge
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:54 am Post subject: Re: Signifigant Secondary Oil Recovery Report |
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| Hogan wrote: | | AlexdeLarge wrote: | | Hogan wrote: | | My PO.com cornucopian list: |
A cornucopian?? No.......but maybe a Panglossian ! LOL |
That's close enough. |
One other point of order. Being a new member at peakoil.com does not mean you are ignorant of peak oil and /or its ramifications. Years ago I was a member of the first yahoo user group "running on empty" until it got a little weird! LOL
Next, please keep in mind that being a "doomer" is by no means new to the human condition. Peak Oil, the anticipation of the antichrist, looking for the 12th Imam.... does not mean you have to drink the Koolaid or be on the next away team to the comet Hale-Bop. LOL
So put away your converse sneakers, at least for the short term! 
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:07 am Post subject: Re: Signifigant Secondary Oil Recovery Report |
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Gentle reminder, fellow posters: Back on topic, Please.
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pstarr
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: Re: Signifigant Secondary Oil Recovery Report |
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| OilFinder2 wrote: | | pstarr wrote: | | I have no idea why you would say that? How can you be confident those 323 million barrels, the last in the field and produced by a technology designed to extract bitumen, will move as quickly as the free-flowing 2 million? |
1. How do we know that their first 2 million in reserves were all that "free-flowing," and,
2. Even if they were free-flowing, 2 million in reserves is diddly-squat. |
I wouldn't call one third of a billion dollars diddly-squat.
| OilFinder2 wrote: | | Even if that first 2 million in reserves were all 40 degree oil buried only 5,000 feet beneath the surface in very porous rocks, they're probably only sucking 20K bpd from it, or something like that. |
20k bpd light crude might do lots of things, but suck is not one of them. That's great money with little effort.
Good oil spews money, bad bitumen sucks the same.
| OilFinder2 wrote: | | I find it quite easy to believe they can eventually suck more than 20K bpd from even the worst heavy gunk or most impervious "ceramic" in the world, if they're saying they've got 323 million barrels of it they're willing to add to their reserves. |
Believing is a lot easier than doing, especially if it is deep SAGD. The technology is used in shallow tar-sand fields.
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lper100km
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Signifigant Secondary Oil Recovery Report |
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TAD:
Quote:
"This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."
-- Sir Winston Leonard Spenser Churchill
If you are going to use this as a signature, please give the attribution correctly. It's Spencer with a 'c' not an 's'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill
In any case, a paraphrase might be more appropriate. ie
"This is not the beginning. It is not even the ending of the beginning. But it is the beginning of the end."
Oh, I forgot. You're the anti doomer. |
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