Hydrogen potential

vampyregirl · Heavy Crude Joined: Dec 19, 2007 Posts: 319

www.shell.com/home/content/hydrogen-en

For some infromation on Hydrogen research, development and marketing. If anyone is interested

Cashmere · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Mar 27, 2008 Posts: 1485

There is no potential for hydrogen.

What's your deal VampGirl?

I've asked you before in a PM, now I ask you openly.

What's your deal?

Your posts are always the same - some BS, not-gonna-happen pseudo-science crap.

Are you just a frightened cornucopian with nothing better to do?

What motivates you to keep posting this crap?

Shell is an oil company. They don't care about anything else.

The only reason they put that page up is because it's good PR for the DSEs.
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vampyregirl · Heavy Crude Joined: Dec 19, 2007 Posts: 319

Is a cornucopian the same thing as a unicorn? I do love unicorns.
And you are very wrong about Hydrogen and Shell. Hydrogen fuel cells are already on the road now albeit in small numbers. From humble beginings. Remember the ICE wasn't taken very seriously back in 1885 when it was first introduced.

Who are you Cashmere? A depressed little boy who sees a poison black cloud everywhere?

Royal Dutch Shell has a hydrogen division, a solar division, a wind division and others. Shell has invested more in alternative energy than any other energy producer. And that is what we are, an energy producer not just an oil company. You need to open your eyes

SchroedingersCat · Intermediate Crude Joined: May 26, 2005 Posts: 519

dub_scratch · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:18 am Post subject: Re: Hydrogen potential

TheDude · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:47 am Post subject: Re: Hydrogen potential

Cashmere · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Mar 27, 2008 Posts: 1485

KingM · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:25 am Post subject: Re: Hydrogen potential

Windmills · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: Re: Hydrogen potential

I think it would be easier to just post her poorly thought out ideas on a cornucopian website than have to create a massive ignore list of all the people on this board who see through the hydrogen myths.

vision-master · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: Re: Hydrogen potential

vampyregirl · Heavy Crude Joined: Dec 19, 2007 Posts: 319

The big problem with bringing Hydrogen into the mainstream is a financial problem. Fuel cells are much more expensive than ICEs. It will take years before they can begin to compete with the ICE on the retail market.
ENERGY PRODUCER. Oil is just one form of energy.

Doomers please put SUFFERS FROM CLINICAL DEPRESSION in your sig so I will know what to expect from you

vampyregirl · Heavy Crude Joined: Dec 19, 2007 Posts: 319

pstarr · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: Hydrogen potential

--H2 is the smallest molecule in the universe. It wants to escape even through stainless steel welds on tanks, pipelines, reformers, etc.

--H2 does not exist in free form. It must be created either from Natural gas or electrolysis of H20. This takes energy, thus H2 is not an energy source. Just use the electricity.

--H2 fuel cells are too damned expensive, contain precious metals (titanium) in decline. And are very costly to refit

--H2 must be compressed to 5,000 psi run a car 50 miles, 10,000 psi to go 100. A broke 5,000 tank is a dangerous weapon. A 10,000 psi tank is a small nuclear weapon. Would you want to sit on one and risk an accident.

--There is no H2 infrastructure. No place to fuel cars. No pipelines. No reformers. Not enough electrical generation to replace ICE's.

--I could on and on and one.

Hydrogen won't fly. Won't even crawl. It's about catatonic. Twisted Evil

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keehah · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Hydrogen potential

As pstarr points out hydrogen is a poor energy storage medium.

The cheapest way to make hydrogen is from natural gas. It is more efficient to use natural gas in a combustion engine to do work than use the same natural gas to make hydrogen, loose some in storage, convert it to electricity, then use the electricity to do same work.

Oh and any old gasoline engine can be converted to natural gas for a few thousand dollars, vs. a hundred thousand plus for a fuel cell car.

So what is it about Shell Hydrogen that is not just PR shilling?
Does Shell make 'free' hydrogen from aether?

vampyregirl · Heavy Crude Joined: Dec 19, 2007 Posts: 319

There are hydrogen filling stations although not many yet. It is a myth that hydrogen tanks explode if punctured. Testing has been done on that. A big problem with bringing fuel cells into the mainstream is the financial problem. Fuel cells can't begin to compete with the ICE retail. It will take time before they can.
Is there a future for Hydrogen? Of course there is. Remember people once said the ICE wouldn't fly either. Before that people didn't have much faith in the steam engine when it was first introduced.