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Is this what the "end of suburbia looks like"?

 
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gwmss15
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:18 am    Post subject: Is this what the "end of suburbia looks like"? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

This is a series of images taken while on a bus photographing trip last weekend. I came across the very run down housing estate just 100 meters from the bus terminal of route 142.

It seems this place was ones a nice and modern housing estate at some point but something went wrong and it became very run down with zero upkeep and a change for residents. who now use the old empty homes as there homes and businesses.

Is this the future for the USA that is happening right now on the edge of Bangkok city Thailand? About 35 km from the inner city.













Maybe this give an insight into the post peak future that some people talk about. I can get more images from this area if people are interested.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this what the "end of suburbia looks like"? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

gwmss15 wrote:
Is this the future for the USA that is happening right now on the edge of Bangkok city Thailand?

Bad News: Why, yes, gwmss15, it is very possible and highly likely. This is not an isolated case-areas like this exist all over the world, including the US. Too many people are not prepared, mentally or physically, for the future when Peak Everything is past and we are on the down side.
Good News: Look at all that already cut lumber, etc. Lots of good stuff to scavenge! Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this what the "end of suburbia looks like"? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think what makes places like this look worse than it has to be is the trash floating around. It makes me wonder what we'll do about diesel garbage trucks.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this what the "end of suburbia looks like"? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I would not discount it happening here. In fact, there's ample evidence that it could and had I thought about it, I could have taken some lovely pictures showing a US community headed in that direction... I'll try to remember to take pictures the next time I drive through SW Virginia.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this what the "end of suburbia looks like"? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Those can't be pictures of a post peak world for those are pictures of a world, quite possibly at its zenith. If those are pictures of anything, they will be pictures of "the good old days."
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this what the "end of suburbia looks like"? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Looks normal to me. Shanty towns next to expensive homes and business is par for the course.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this what the "end of suburbia looks like"? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Well this is fairly common in my part of the world. But what made this one different is that this "Village" as the Thais call them was made out of an abandoned middle class housing complex. Not all that different to others in the area.

I didn't go deep inside to explore as it was half flooded and i didn't have time. So i took some pictures near the front of it and posted them on here to show if this is what some people feel is post peak oil suburbia.

In Thailand its very common to see a 30 story upper class condo next to a lower class village. The two groups of people walk past each other on the main road without even thinking about it. Often the middle class will share the bus with lower class poor people.

Thailand doesn't really call it upper middle and lower class but its the easiest way to describe it.

In Australia this type of village is very rare in fact i cannot think of any place like this in Melbourne.

The largest of these "Villages" is klong toei. It is home to over 400000 people and places great strain on the local mass transport system.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:51 am    Post subject: Re: Is this what the "end of suburbia looks like"? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I like to look at the up side of life. I am planning to make the
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I can't wait for all the garden babes to see me sportin'
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:16 am    Post subject: Re: Is this what the "end of suburbia looks like"? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

'Is this what the "end of suburbia looks like?"

Not really. Those are just pictures of another ex-colonial sh*thole milked and wrung dry by Europeans for hundreds of years.

And then left to stew in it's own crap.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:34 am    Post subject: Re: Is this what the "end of suburbia looks like"? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

pstarr wrote:
Not really. Those are just pictures of another ex-colonial sh*thole milked and wrung dry by Europeans for hundreds of years. And then left to stew in it's own crap.


Pstarr, you must brush up on your history... Thailand is proud of being a country that was NOT colonised. However, if you applied your comments to any of the neighbouring countries then you would be closer to the mark.

About the pictures: they are interesting in that it does look like a good middle class area that has been turned into a shanty town.

Thailand stats. 1950 population about 20million, 2007 65,7 million. Current growth rate 0,7% (around 460 000 extra mouths to feed / house a year).

Thailand has a population growth rate just a little higher than that of USA (0,6%) so it might be a better model than most here would like.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:44 am    Post subject: Re: Is this what the "end of suburbia looks like"? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

IslandCrow wrote:
pstarr wrote:
Not really. Those are just pictures of another ex-colonial sh*thole milked and wrung dry by Europeans for hundreds of years. And then left to stew in it's own crap.


Pstarr, you must brush up on your history... Thailand is proud of being a country that was NOT colonised. However, if you applied your comments to any of the neighbouring countries then you would be closer to the mark.

About the pictures: they are interesting in that it does look like a good middle class area that has been turned into a shanty town.

Thailand stats. 1950 population about 20million, 2007 65,7 million. Current growth rate 0,7% (around 460 000 extra mouths to feed / house a year).

Thailand has a population growth rate just a little higher than that of USA (0,6%) so it might be a better model than most here would like.
You're right. It's probably a consequence of the 1998 Asian financial crisis. In that regard it might be a template for US, though our colder temperate climate usually dissuades that kind of outdoor squalor. The only place I've seen such public decrepitude in the US was along the Florida Keys highway, where it is subtropical.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:34 am    Post subject: Re: Is this what the "end of suburbia looks like"? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

We don't see many structures like that in my area of the Northeast due to sub zero temperatures, snow, ice, zoning laws, building/safety/fire/mechanical codes, blight laws, occupancy laws, code enforcement etc.

The vast majority of homes in really bad shape aren't town, village, suburban, rural or exburban homes, but older run-down or abandoned city homes in very bad sections of cities with poor code/blight enforcement, low property values, subsidized housing, slum landlords, high crime rates, poor job markets, high property taxes, poor school systems and limited tax base growth.

These areas don't have budgets, grants and other funding necessary to demolish and/or rebuild bad sections, plus local developers and builders generally build outside the cities on large undeveloped building lots, acreage or farmland.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this what the "end of suburbia looks like"? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this what the "end of suburbia looks like"? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Its looks normal to me,, when I was in Thailand 1980-81 I saw the same thing then,, nice big house's behind tall white walls and next door tin shacks,, show me somthing in a mordern country like Europe or USA but not from a 3rd world country, I been to pleanty 3rd worlds and seen the same thing over and over, it's normal there but not here as of yet........
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