Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:35 am Post subject: Re: Iran says would strike Israel, US navy if attacked
This issue is no joke but I had to point this out if just for levity
Two other types of missile with shorter ranges were also fired as part of the Great Prophet III war games being staged by the Guards.
Over in America another name for the Cheney Energy Taskforce which laid the groundwork for the Iraq invasion is 'Great Profit III.' It's that whole life imitating art imitating mental illness thing.
LOL
This operation will be followed up by
'Sword of Allah'
'Death to Infidels I'
and finally
'Death to Halliburton' in which the entire exercise will be focused on ways to take out Halliburton facilities around the world under the premise that Dick Cheney is actually the Antichrist and Halliburton is his SS.
Bush would have to be completely insane to attack Iran before he leaves office. The thing I am more concerned about is that the Iranians might believe he could or would and therefore get an itchy trigger finger.
Just sit tight and don't do anything stupid. You know like saying things like 'Israel will be wiped off the map.' Even on SNL that one does'nt go over well. Or the ever popular 'Down with the Great Satan!' Because look the Great Satan currently has enough firepower on your doorstep to burn your country to the ground ten times over and a man still in office that just might think God told him to do it, so that the world of the future can be a better place.
Just chill, make some reasonable concessions and before you know it Obama will be in and cooler heads will prevail for at least a little while.
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: Re: Iran says would strike Israel, US navy if attacked
Pretorian wrote:
ThereWillBeMoreBlood wrote:
What exactly do they plan on doing, harassing our ships with their little dinghies like they did last year? This should be good.
they' ll just close the Hormuz strait. Game over.
How??
With dinghies, or a few burned out tanks from the Iran/Iraq war?
I laugh every time I hear commentators worry about Iran closing the Straight of Hormuz. With what? You need a Navy and probably an Air Force to close the Straight. What little Navy and Air Force Iran has would be eliminated within 24-48 hours of the start of any conflict with the US.
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:40 am Post subject: Re: Iran says would strike Israel, US navy if attacked
veliger wrote:
Pretorian wrote:
ThereWillBeMoreBlood wrote:
What exactly do they plan on doing, harassing our ships with their little dinghies like they did last year? This should be good.
they' ll just close the Hormuz strait. Game over.
How??
With dinghies, or a few burned out tanks from the Iran/Iraq war?
I laugh every time I hear commentators worry about Iran closing the Straight of Hormuz. With what? You need a Navy and probably an Air Force to close the Straight. What little Navy and Air Force Iran has would be eliminated within 24-48 hours of the start of any conflict with the US.
Sadly, our ships aren't dingy proof. _________________ Was a long and dark December
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Iran says would strike Israel, US navy if attacked
veliger wrote:
Pretorian wrote:
ThereWillBeMoreBlood wrote:
What exactly do they plan on doing, harassing our ships with their little dinghies like they did last year? This should be good.
they' ll just close the Hormuz strait. Game over.
How??
With dinghies, or a few burned out tanks from the Iran/Iraq war?
I laugh every time I hear commentators worry about Iran closing the Straight of Hormuz. With what? You need a Navy and probably an Air Force to close the Straight. What little Navy and Air Force Iran has would be eliminated within 24-48 hours of the start of any conflict with the US.
24-48 hours
seems more then enough time to send the price of oil to $1000 _________________ www.peakoil.be
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Iran says would strike Israel, US navy if attacked
sameu wrote:
veliger wrote:
Pretorian wrote:
ThereWillBeMoreBlood wrote:
What exactly do they plan on doing, harassing our ships with their little dinghies like they did last year? This should be good.
they' ll just close the Hormuz strait. Game over.
How??
With dinghies, or a few burned out tanks from the Iran/Iraq war?
I laugh every time I hear commentators worry about Iran closing the Straight of Hormuz. With what? You need a Navy and probably an Air Force to close the Straight. What little Navy and Air Force Iran has would be eliminated within 24-48 hours of the start of any conflict with the US.
24-48 hours
seems more then enough time to send the price of oil to $1000
It's all much ado about nothing because Bush is not going to attack Iran. There is some political calculus involved here but Bush is over. We can all breath a sigh of relief that no future president will ever be allowed to inavade and topple a foreign country again. The Iraqi's are going to insist on a timeline for US troop withdrawal, probably granting concessions to UN peacekeeping forces. The neocons will be thwarted in their delirious lust for oil and investigations into the conduct of the Bush Administration will get started in January, and will probably last for a few years at least.
Then again...
Bush could still pull the trigger. He has the power to order strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities. I do agree with McCain that as long as you have a country known for sponsoring terrorism saying that your allies are going to be whiped off the map it is not something you can just dismiss. I'm wonder if assured destruction is enough of a deterrant. Simply let it be US policy that should Iran 'accidently' fire off a missile or in other demonstrable way harm Israel the Us retaliation would nothing short of blitzkrieg and the end of the current Iranian government. Have Congress pass an Israel Protection Act that promises to view any attack on Israel by specifically listed nations (directly or implicitly) as an act of war on the US.
Basically saying, you harm Israel, you cease to exist. Signed affectionately Uncle Sam. With that level of stated protection we then nudge Israel to work together to resolve the Palestinian Crisis.
I would like to see Ammadinijad respond to some other nation saying the following 'The Palestinians are mangy dogs who do not deserve to exist on Israel's historical homeland. They will be wiped from the face of the map any day now.'
My point is that this type of rhetoric does'nt help anyone. I am hoping that the Administration will find a way to keep a proper troop level in the region, but also back off on the Iraqi's and let a Un force come into help with security. There can still be American's involved, but control has to be passed more and more over to the Iraqi's. We cannot interpret preemption as attempting to preempt the theft of a malted milk dud in a 7-11 in Kabul by arresting every hungry child within 100 miles. Life is full of uncertainty, but refusing to trust anyone eventually leads to isolation, neuroses, and despotism.
Defuse the tensions by establishing strong boundaries. Though current strong boundaries may not be acceptable long term, they at least give a sense of security now based on known standards and changes can be dealt with diplomatically.
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: Iran says would strike Israel, US navy if attacked
Peleg wrote:
Defuse the tensions by establishing strong boundaries. Though current strong boundaries may not be acceptable long term, they at least give a sense of security now based on known standards and changes can be dealt with diplomatically.
It would be great if all the countries in the ME would accept the current boundaries of the other countries in the ME. Unfortunately, Iran wants to see Israel drastically reduced in size.
How do you suggest "strong boundaries" against missile attacks, such as those that Iran is threatening, can be created?
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: Iran says would strike Israel, US navy if attacked
idiom wrote:
Some long range artillery and a cellphone would close the straits.
Good point.
Even one suicidal religious nut in a zodiac loaded with explosives could blow up a tanker and close the straits, or attack a US naval ship and blow a hole in the side and maybe start a war.
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Iran says would strike Israel, US navy if attacked
All they need is the threat of missling any transport ships that go through the straight. A carrier group might be able to shoot down missles aimed at it, but isn't as effective at protecting another ship from super-sonic missles.
Who's going to agree to drive a slow super-tanker through there? What company will want to risk such an expensive (and limited - there aren't enough super-tankers floating around to just "loose" one without affecting supply somewhere) asset.
One supertanker sunk, and it will be weeks before they can guarantee the safety of other ships while they try to bomb Iran into dust. Meanwhile, several world economies would be brought to their knees, including the US.
With the US destroyed as an economic power, Israel would be gone within a decade.
Not to mention the ecological and logistical problems millions of barrels of burning crude would cause as it floated around in the straight.
veliger wrote:
Pretorian wrote:
ThereWillBeMoreBlood wrote:
What exactly do they plan on doing, harassing our ships with their little dinghies like they did last year? This should be good.
they' ll just close the Hormuz strait. Game over.
How??
With dinghies, or a few burned out tanks from the Iran/Iraq war?
I laugh every time I hear commentators worry about Iran closing the Straight of Hormuz. With what? You need a Navy and probably an Air Force to close the Straight. What little Navy and Air Force Iran has would be eliminated within 24-48 hours of the start of any conflict with the US.
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: Iran says would strike Israel, US navy if attacked
Plantagenet wrote:
Peleg wrote:
Defuse the tensions by establishing strong boundaries. Though current strong boundaries may not be acceptable long term, they at least give a sense of security now based on known standards and changes can be dealt with diplomatically.
It would be great if all the countries in the ME would accept the current boundaries of the other countries in the ME. Unfortunately, Iran wants to see Israel drastically reduced in size.
How do you suggest "strong boundaries" against missile attacks, such as those that Iran is threatening, can be created?
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: Iran says would strike Israel, US navy if attacked
hermit wrote:
mos6507 wrote:
WyoDutch wrote:
...but with the simple act of sending just one American warship to the bottom of the Gulf...
Is that something you're looking forward to?
I certainly am.
Any questions, cupcake?
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