Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: Please prove me wrong!
Quote:
Re-awakening to the peak oil problem, I'm rapidly becoming a doomer.
Is there anyone out there who can prove me wrong. I'm hoping I've missed a trick somewhere.
Sowwy. No one can pwove you wong.
It's twue, it's twue. _________________ "By the time individuals discover that remaining resources will not be adequate for the next generation, the next generation has already been born. " David Price
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: Please prove me wrong!
Sorry Dude. I've been trying to prove you wrong for a while now. No dice so far. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: Please prove me wrong!
Snap out of it bro...it's gonna be fine...Tyler told me so. _________________ "There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
"... hope is a rotten-thighed whore" Niko Kazantzakis
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: Please prove me wrong!
Years of research have led me to the conclusion that there is no technical solution to this problem.
There is, however, a response. Plan for a future without oil, limited food, undependable electricity, unpredicatable weather, starving masses of homeless unemployed, oppressive government, and a dollar worth more as TP than an instrument of exchange. It will be a start. _________________ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever."
-George Orwell, 1984
Joined: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 3894 Location: Minniesotuh
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: Please prove me wrong!
Prove you wrong-no.
It's your choice: Reality-accept, adjust and prepare. Just like you would do to deal with any other problem.
Fantasy-deny, party on and don't think about waking up one day to one h*ll of a shock. _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto
Joined: Oct 18, 2004 Posts: 2124 Location: kiwibush
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: Please prove me wrong!
Quinny wrote:
Re-awakening to the peak oil problem, I'm rapidly becoming a doomer.
Is there anyone out there who can prove me wrong. I'm hoping I've missed a trick somewhere.
I wish I could prove you wrong but unfortunately the hands of time are a ruthless judge. A system based on the exhaustive use of the resources on this planet will exhaust those resources, one after the other. With the addition of China, the former USSR and India at the table of mass consumption, any one who nurses cornucopian notions is either mad or extremely stupid and probably warrants dying off for being surplus to evolutions requirements.
In a nutshell, capitalism has always experienced a periodic pattern of boom and bust - what economists call the business cycle. Since the late 1700s, the developed world has witnessed such a pattern of rapid growth followed by widespread stagnation or recession. During boom times, profits are running high and the owners of capital are confident to undertake large-scale investment. Existing factories are expanded, new ones built, more workers are taken on, new mines go down as office blocks and hotels go up. Every enterprise is run at close to full capacity as the bosses seize the good times with both hands.
But this process soon creates its own limits. Shortages of raw materials and credit lead to higher prices and interest rates. Profit margins decline as the costs of production rise. We see that today with stagflation. _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate!
Joined: Aug 03, 2006 Posts: 4337 Location: Graceland
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: Please prove me wrong!
americandream wrote:
Quinny wrote:
Re-awakening to the peak oil problem, I'm rapidly becoming a doomer.
Is there anyone out there who can prove me wrong. I'm hoping I've missed a trick somewhere.
I wish I could prove you wrong but unfortunately the hands of time are a ruthless judge. A system based on the exhaustive use of the resources on this planet will exhaust those resources, one after the other. With the addition of China, the former USSR and India at the table of mass consumption, any one who nurses cornucopian notions is either mad or extremely stupid and probably warrants dying off for being surplus to evolutions requirements.
In a nutshell, capitalism has always experienced a periodic pattern of boom and bust - what economists call the business cycle. Since the late 1700s, the developed world has witnessed such a pattern of rapid growth followed by widespread stagnation or recession. During boom times, profits are running high and the owners of capital are confident to undertake large-scale investment. Existing factories are expanded, new ones built, more workers are taken on, new mines go down as office blocks and hotels go up. Every enterprise is run at close to full capacity as the bosses seize the good times with both hands.
But this process soon creates its own limits. Shortages of raw materials and credit lead to higher prices and interest rates. Profit margins decline as the costs of production rise. We see that today with stagflation.
In a lot of ways, the thesis is so simple it's shocking that so few people know about it, and among those who do know it's surprising that there is so much cornie cognitive dissonance.
The problem, of course, is that the consequences of this simple thesis are so awful for humanity. That's probably what hangs people up a little.
Joined: Aug 03, 2007 Posts: 4537 Location: Boston Suburbs
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:52 am Post subject: Re: Please prove me wrong!
BigTex wrote:
Too many people, not enough earth.
I may have asked you this question before, but have you talked to your kids about what they plan to do in the future regarding having kids of their own, assuming they make it?
Do you feel that TS will HTF severely enough that such a talk may not even be necessary? _________________ As long as I am around, there are no worries we have reached "Peak Words"
Joined: May 10, 2007 Posts: 3327 Location: Resiliency Farm
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:03 am Post subject: Re: Please prove me wrong!
mos6507 wrote:
BigTex wrote:
Too many people, not enough earth.
I may have asked you this question before, but have you talked to your kids about what they plan to do in the future regarding having kids of their own, assuming they make it?
Do you feel that TS will HTF severely enough that such a talk may not even be necessary?
There is a part of me that wonders if when my kids here the words "Multiply and fill the earth..." their first response will not be "but it is full already." It will be "Geez there is a lot of space to fill."
Of course the fun of the exponential function is that it doesn't really take that long at all. _________________ “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.”
J.R.R. Tolkien
"The time has come for men to act like men; and for women, well, to act a lot more like men."
-Ma Cur
Joined: Aug 03, 2006 Posts: 4337 Location: Graceland
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:59 am Post subject: Re: Please prove me wrong!
mos6507 wrote:
BigTex wrote:
Too many people, not enough earth.
I may have asked you this question before, but have you talked to your kids about what they plan to do in the future regarding having kids of their own, assuming they make it?
Do you feel that TS will HTF severely enough that such a talk may not even be necessary?
My kids are 7, 4 and 9 months old.
I have talked to the 9 month old about it a little. I can't tell how much of it he understands, though.
The other two are busy being kids. I'm just going to let that process unfold for now. Neither of them seem close to having kids of their own at this point.
At some point, I will begin paramilitary training programs for all three. Part of that training will probably include some classroom time with Catton's overshoot and die-off analysis. _________________
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