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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: Death, how do you feel about it?
POAlex wrote:
I just noticed one question that hasn't been touched.
Why do you think we have death in the world?
Alex
I'd be interested to hear what others say. But, it seems to me it would be very unlikely or impossible for a system to evolve where there was reproduction asexually, sexually, or otherwise without death. The ecosystem would quickly be overwhelmed and the population would starve - but wait, no death, so it seems to be a logical impossibility.
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: Death, how do you feel about it?
manu wrote:
darwinsdog wrote:
Tell you what, then: Build a spirit trap, catch one & let me photograph, weigh, measure, & dissect it. Then I'll believe they exist.
You are going to try and see, photograph, weigh, etc. the spirit soul with material instruments? The soul is spiritual in nature, that is why it can't be destroyed by anything material. Conciousness is the symptom of the soul. When the soul leaves the body, no more conciousness. But otherwise the rest of the chemicals are still there. A material body without the soul is not very attractive. The reason that people are always searching for ways to stay young is because the soul is forever young. Even in this life the body changes many times but you, the soul remains the same. False ego means you think you are the body, real ego is understanding you are spirit soul.
The main thing that convinces me that my out of the body experiences are real is that I've opened my eyes during sleep paralysis experiences and brought the hands of my astral body out of my physical body while looking at them with my physical body. Robert Monroe describes something like this in his book "Journies out of the Body". My astral body hands looked something like a vapor except are shaped just like the hands of my physical body. I could see right through them, but could notice the light bending at the edges almost like the way hot air bends light and alters the images of things. I wondered if there was a way to measure the refractive index using some kind of optical device. I thought about setting up a video camera to see if I could make a video of it, but the sleep paralysis experiences don't happen too often and are unpredictable. If you can have sleep paralysis experiences, you can have out of the body experiences and prove to yourself you have this second ghost-like body. Google "astral travel", etc. for more information.
Remember, I said I saw the hands of my astral body with my physical eyes. Seeing is believing. If you've ever had any sleep paralysis experiences, you know you are concious and if you open your eyes during this experience, you know you are seeing through your eyes and its not a dream.
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 12473 Location: zombie horde wonderland
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: Death, how do you feel about it?
Vogelzang wrote:
Remember, I said I saw the hands of my astral body with my physical eyes. Seeing is believing. If you've ever had any sleep paralysis experiences, you know you are concious and if you open your eyes during this experience, you know you are seeing through your eyes and its not a dream.
I saw melting skeleton people in our bedroom. My husband has seen a little old lady bending over his bed, boxes, giant bugs, and we have both seen string uncoiling from the ceiling. Are these also real? _________________ No original ideas are contained in this post.
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: Death, how do you feel about it?
Ludi wrote:
Vogelzang wrote:
Remember, I said I saw the hands of my astral body with my physical eyes. Seeing is believing. If you've ever had any sleep paralysis experiences, you know you are concious and if you open your eyes during this experience, you know you are seeing through your eyes and its not a dream.
I saw melting skeleton people in our bedroom. My husband has seen a little old lady bending over his bed, boxes, giant bugs, and we have both seen string uncoiling from the ceiling. Are these also real?
Those are classed as hypnopompic or hypnogogic imagery. These visions are part of an "omnijective" realm. Humans are in their infancy when it comes to the mental environment, so we just have to accept for the time being that the terms "real" and "unreal" are limited and limiting and use that idea as a working hypothesis, until we learn more.
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 12473 Location: zombie horde wonderland
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: Death, how do you feel about it?
It seems to be the brain trying to make sense of some input. But what is the input? Where does it come from? _________________ No original ideas are contained in this post.
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: Death, how do you feel about it?
Ludi wrote:
It seems to be the brain trying to make sense of some input. But what is the input? Where does it come from?
The best I had was with the overhead light on, in my bedroom. There was a man sitting on a chair, about 6 feet away. He was so clear, I managed to hold the state, so I could count the fibres in one of the threads of his tweed jacket. He looked like he stepped out of an early 20th century novel. He was looking at me with detached interest, completely non caring, non judgemental. The weird thing was, his dress was very particular, and I don't know or care about fashion. This is the ONLY thing that makes me wonder about the purely subjective hallucinatory explanation. It couldn't have come from my head.
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 12473 Location: zombie horde wonderland
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: Death, how do you feel about it?
threadbear wrote:
It couldn't have come from my head.
That's exactly how I feel about the skeleton people. It was nothing I had ever seen or thought about, and there they were, totally real. But I was so frightened, I covered my face after a moment, and when I looked up they were gone. If I ever have another such experience, I hope I have the presence of mind you had, to really examine the object. _________________ No original ideas are contained in this post.
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: Death, how do you feel about it?
Ludi wrote:
threadbear wrote:
Have you seen the film Waking Life?
No, I haven't. Puttin' it in the Netflix cue.
You'll really like it. Here I'll put some youtube segments up for you and other readers. I think this flick has a strong cult following (or occult following! )
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Death, how do you feel about it?
Ludi wrote:
threadbear wrote:
It couldn't have come from my head.
If I ever have another such experience, I hope I have the presence of mind you had, to really examine the object.
I was only able to do this after about 15 years of experiencing these visions. Before this experience I would always reflexively pull out of that particular place, state of mind. It really makes you wonder about what constitutes the expression "my mind".
Hypnagogia, like hallucination isn't understood, at this time.
It's entering the astral realm - an area of existance beyond the physical realm. In this realm thoughts are instantly transformed into a created reality. _________________ Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destory health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality.
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