Russia using oil as a weapon?

wisconsin_cur · Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:01 am Post subject: Russia using oil as a weapon?

Czech's see oil flow fall days after signing agreement to host missle defense radar

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dissident · Heavy Crude Joined: Apr 08, 2006 Posts: 389

They can buy oil on the open market like everybody else, the poor dears. Also, this is a prime example of the contextless propaganda BS spewed by the western media. The only Russian oil pipeline that reaches the Czech republic is Druzhba, it supplies primarily Poland and Germany:

EIA Link

While the US installs real elements of an offensive strategic nuclear capability on Russia's footstep, assorted western twits bleat about "Russian oil weapons". It doesn't take much to put you clowns on the crusading warpath (e.g. Iraq) so why all the effort shouting about the big bad Russian threat to your freedom. You obviously believe the whole world is one big Iraq that you can push around and have no consequences to deal with. If it is OK for the USA to have sanctions on Cuba, it is more than OK for Russia to put sanctions on all states that are real threats to its existence.

wisconsin_cur · Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:01 am Post subject: Re: Russia using oil as a weapon?

CarlosFerreira · Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:03 am Post subject: Re: Russia using oil as a weapon?

Russia has been keen to keep total control over its resources, nad Gazprom is a prime example of that state of affairs. I wouldn't be at all shocked if they did squeeze the Czech Republic's supply somewhat.

But truth is, the Czechs can, indeed, buy theur oil from someone else! Thus, these news are somewhat a crap, no doubt.

If Russia was bombing the radar sites, like the Israelis have done in the past (in Iraq) and are probably considering right now (in Iran), I can't think what the western press would be saying.

Fishman · Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: Re: Russia using oil as a weapon?

So dissident, if the Czech choose not to be Russia's butt buddy AGAIN the evil US is to blame? You must have been been born after 1990 or have a serious aversion to history. The folks I've talked to from Poland, Romania, and Albania say their countrymen would do anything to defend themselves from falling under Russia again. The protesters are almost all young folks who have never had the KGB peering at them.

Twilight · Expert Joined: Mar 02, 2007 Posts: 2971 Location: UK

If oil is a weapon, surely it is unique in requiring the victim to kneel before it of his own volition.

And it is fungible. No tears here.
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Muckingfess · Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: Russia using oil as a weapon?

Interesting article on PO and the US military.

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dissident · Heavy Crude Joined: Apr 08, 2006 Posts: 389

You are really cute, Fishman. Defense in this case is transparent newspeak for offense. It is also kind of peculiar how all of these supposedly insecure eastern Europeans don't have a problem with Germany. Following your logic they should all be running around installing missile systems in case WWII and WWI gets repeated.

dissident · Heavy Crude Joined: Apr 08, 2006 Posts: 389

Since we're on the subject of what the Czechs want (according to Fishman to save themselves from the great Russian evil threat that is always ready to be unleashed), let's take a look at opinion polls:

Angus-Reid Link

There are 7 Czechs who oppose the missile radar for every 2 that support it. Since this US strategic nuclear element has little support in the Czech Republic the government is using taxpayer money to propagandize it:

Russian_Cowboy · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Russia using oil as a weapon?

To sum it up, the Czechs do not want to be either Russian or American puppet.

As far as using oil and gas to buy friends and punish enemies goes, Russia has been doing it for a long time. A good example of this policy is selling natural gas to friendly regimes at discounted prices. The price of Russian nat.gas for Belarus has been and still is lower than that for Ukraine.
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gmin · Tar Sands Joined: Feb 05, 2006 Posts: 96

Russian_Cowboy · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: Russia using oil as a weapon?