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roccman
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 Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:07 pm Post subject: Matt Simmons - Getting ready... |
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Bugg'n out...you should be too...
| Quote: | | [Matt Simmons, author of Twilight in the Desert: the Coming Saudi Oil Shock and the World Economy, now] plans to start up a farm near his house in Maine, in case the supply chain that provides America with food breaks down for lack of fuel. He plans to fertilise his fields with manure, rather than chemicals derived from oil and natural gas. He thinks globalisation must stop, and that as much trade as possible should be conducted by boat, to conserve whatever oil remains. |
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3aidlillahi
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: Matt Simmons - Getting ready... |
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I can't wait to see pictures of him tending to his garden/farm like Kunstler. All the power to him. Probably not to smart to announce it to the world WHERE he's building his eco-farm, but good idea to build it.
"Hmm...a multi-millionaire owns a farm 5 miles from here with ample supplies of food while my family and I haven't had more than a cup of rice in a week? I think I'll head on over."
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kokoda
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: Matt Simmons - Getting ready... |
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When tinfoil hat wearing whack jobs, conspiracy theory nutbags and braindead redneck survivalists tell you that oil has peaked then you can probably laugh it off.
When people like Matt Simmons, T.Boone Pickens and others who have made a fortune from oil tell you that it is running out then you best pay attention.
If you own a farm and are surrounded by starving masses then you had best be ready to defend it grimly. |
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Ludi
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: Matt Simmons - Getting ready... |
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| kokoda wrote: |
If you own a farm and are surrounded by starving masses then you had best be ready to defend it grimly. |
Can we defend it cheerfully? Or even hilariously?
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joewp
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: Matt Simmons - Getting ready... |
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| kokoda wrote: |
If you own a farm and are surrounded by starving masses then you had best be ready to defend it grimly. |
The best plan is to own a farm surrounded by other farms.
Then you don't have to worry so much about starving masses.
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Peepers
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Matt Simmons - Getting ready... |
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| I've devoted several of my columns to the witch hunt Simmons talks about. We're more interesting in assigning blame than softening the crash. At this scale of denial, it's going to be a long time before our "leaders" and the masses realize what's actually happening and by then it will be too late. I fear it's already too late. My suggestion is if you don't own enough arable land (or have access to it via an urban farm or sharecropping), get out while you still have time. I'm making an offer on some farmland next week and am near to paying down my debts on my urban condo. I hope I still have enough time. |
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wisconsin_cur
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: Matt Simmons - Getting ready... |
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| 3aidlillahi wrote: | I can't wait to see pictures of him tending to his garden/farm like Kunstler. All the power to him. Probably not to smart to announce it to the world WHERE he's building his eco-farm, but good idea to build it.
"Hmm...a multi-millionaire owns a farm 5 miles from here with ample supplies of food while my family and I haven't had more than a cup of rice in a week? I think I'll head on over." |
Kunstler isn't much into farming.
youtube link
he is into girls and candles. |
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Koyaanisqatsi
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:08 am Post subject: Re: Matt Simmons - Getting ready... |
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| wisconsin_cur wrote: |
Kunstler isn't much into farming.
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cube
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:14 am Post subject: Re: Matt Simmons - Getting ready... |
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| Ludi wrote: | | kokoda wrote: |
If you own a farm and are surrounded by starving masses then you had best be ready to defend it grimly. |
Can we defend it cheerfully? Or even hilariously? |
I'm with you on this one Ludi.
I never understood why so many people on this forum have a fixation for the "starving hoard of zombies marching towards your farm" theory.  |
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PonyBoy78
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:35 am Post subject: Re: Matt Simmons - Getting ready... |
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| cube wrote: | | Ludi wrote: | | kokoda wrote: |
If you own a farm and are surrounded by starving masses then you had best be ready to defend it grimly. |
Can we defend it cheerfully? Or even hilariously? |
I'm with you on this one Ludi.
I never understood why so many people on this forum have a fixation for the "starving hoard of zombies marching towards your farm" theory. |
Yeah.. I've always been under the impression that our country's brand of zombies like to sit at home and wait for the all-powerful government to "do something. |
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TheDude
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:33 am Post subject: Re: Matt Simmons - Getting ready... |
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The latest FSN begins with a bunch of clips from Apollo 13, then Frank jokingly talking Jim off that ledge. Later Jim jokingly visits Frank in his Bear shelter, echoing footsteps, talk of ammo and food stockpiles...
Anybody going to accuse these guys of merely being alarmists out for a quick buck? Hmm? I miss those days when that was a plausible explanation. 
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pstarr
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:00 am Post subject: Re: Matt Simmons - Getting ready... |
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TheDude what is FSN? Is it a live doomer site?
Can we actually watch the guy crawl into the bear box, or not jump off the ledge?
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EnergyUnlimited
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: Re: Matt Simmons - Getting ready... |
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| cube wrote: |
I never understood why so many people on this forum have a fixation for the "starving hoard of zombies marching towards your farm" theory. |
Under societal collapse scenario it is a warranty to happen if you are lets say 10 miles from any town which is no longer viable (any town above 100-150 thousands is likely to fall into that category).
If you are 20-40 miles away and there are some others villagers to help, you have good chance to defend yourself if collapsing town is small enough (say no more than 100 000 strong).
All of you would have to be very trigger (or machete...) happy, though.
However if you are near than 100 miles from collapsing megacity, then you are a toast.
It would be of benefit to your survival if such a city got nuked rather than just be left to collapse.
Fewer zombies at least.  |
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Leo123
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:38 am Post subject: Re: Matt Simmons - Getting ready... |
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| pstarr wrote: | TheDude what is FSN? Is it a live doomer site?
Can we actually watch the guy crawl into the bear box, or not jump off the ledge? |
FSN is Financial Sense Newshour -
http://www.financialsense.com/
If you listened to it a while back you would've made a killing in the markets. |
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Ludi
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:49 am Post subject: Re: Matt Simmons - Getting ready... |
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| PonyBoy78 wrote: |
Yeah.. I've always been under the impression that our country's brand of zombies like to sit at home and wait for the all-powerful government to "do something. |
That's what evidence shows (Katrina recent example). I've not seen any compelling evidence to support the zombie horde scenario.
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