Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: Re: To educate sheeple or not educate sheeple...
hardtootell wrote:
Munqi wrote:
Ive tried talking about this with my family and friends but so far no one has really been interested. They listen, they say they agree, but it just really doesnt sink in. For some reason they just dont understand that the world could possibly change. So i would say try to educate people, but if they dont listen then move on.
I agree Munqi. I have had the exact same experience. They are just rooted to the earth- so to speak. Incapable of connecting the dots! I am having some genuine greif for all the souls that are gonna experience alot of hardship and, to them, untimely death. And it irks me that there is really almost nothing I can do to lessen their pain... I already have my hands full
Sheeple don't listen? We can see that right here.
We have 24,015 members. Yet our 'planning for the future' section may reflect only 2% to 3% of our membership on a regular basis. What are the other 23,925 members doing in terms of planning and prepping? They got it all figured out and perfected? And this is with PO devotees to boot!
But it is like that on many forums I've been on. Someday, something may click and they can shift gears. But a person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still. So it has to come from within them and not force fed.
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:53 am Post subject: Re: To educate sheeple or not educate sheeple...
allenwrench wrote:
Do the rest of you think it is TOO LATE to get to work?
I don't. However, (i) whatever amount of work to be done is only increasing with each day, (ii) I'm not giggly or bullish on a techno-fix --I'm bullish on massive powerdowns--, and (iii) it will take more than just high gasoline prices for the masses to get to work.
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:24 am Post subject: Re: To educate sheeple or not educate sheeple...
allenwrench wrote:
We have 24,015 members.
We would have 100 times that if it wasn't for the condescending and arrogant treatment the pros, mods, elites and experts give the newbies. Ie, "you have a lot to learn", "hey, random internet guy", etc.
allenwrench wrote:
What are the other 23,925 members doing in terms of planning and prepping? They got it all figured out and perfected?
They/we haven't. We spend most of time bitching about each other. Sure, we save a few cans of beans, recycle our plastics and drive less, but in essence, that's about it. Oh, some are building fortresses, bunkers, and compounds; they'll be the only survivors. Good for them!
allenwrench wrote:
So it has to come from within them and not force fed.
Sure force fed will most probably not work, but to give up or wait for it to come from within is just equally immoral.
Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:30 am Post subject: Re: To educate sheeple or not educate sheeple...
VMarcHart wrote:
allenwrench wrote:
We have 24,015 members.
We would have 100 times that if it wasn't for the condescending and arrogant treatment the pros, mods, elites and experts give the newbies. Ie, "you have a lot to learn", "hey, random internet guy", etc.
allenwrench wrote:
What are the other 23,925 members doing in terms of planning and prepping? They got it all figured out and perfected?
They/we haven't. We spend most of time bitching about each other. Sure, we save a few cans of beans, recycle our plastics and drive less, but in essence, that's about it. Oh, some are building fortresses, bunkers, and compounds; they'll be the only survivors. Good for them!
allenwrench wrote:
So it has to come from within them and not force fed.
Sure force fed will most probably not work, but to give up or wait for it to come from within is just equally immoral.
Don't know if 100X is true. But you are correct with the 'tudes. We all have a personality and have to do the best we can with the various personalities in the world. Sometime we type things we would not say in person. just good to think sometime how our words affect others.
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: Re: To educate sheeple or not educate sheeple...
allenwrench wrote:
VMarcHart wrote:
allenwrench wrote:
We have 24,015 members.
We would have 100 times that if it wasn't for the condescending and arrogant treatment the pros, mods, elites and experts give the newbies. Ie, "you have a lot to learn", "hey, random internet guy", etc.
allenwrench wrote:
What are the other 23,925 members doing in terms of planning and prepping? They got it all figured out and perfected?
They/we haven't. We spend most of time bitching about each other. Sure, we save a few cans of beans, recycle our plastics and drive less, but in essence, that's about it. Oh, some are building fortresses, bunkers, and compounds; they'll be the only survivors. Good for them!
allenwrench wrote:
So it has to come from within them and not force fed.
Sure force fed will most probably not work, but to give up or wait for it to come from within is just equally immoral.
Don't know if 100X is true. But you are correct with the 'tudes. We all have a personality and have to do the best we can with the various personalities in the world. Sometime we type things we would not say in person. just good to think sometime how our words affect others.
I think I would be comfortable saying in person most of what I write here.
I also think that most of the mods here do a pretty good job of being helpful to new people.
Anytime someone thinks a mod is not being fair or respectful to a new person (or a veteran), I encourage them to send the mod a PM and let them know. _________________
Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: To educate sheeple or not educate sheeple...
BigTex wrote:
allenwrench wrote:
Don't know if 100X is true. But you are correct with the 'tudes. We all have a personality and have to do the best we can with the various personalities in the world. Sometime we type things we would not say in person. just good to think sometime how our words affect others.
I think I would be comfortable saying in person most of what I write here. I also think that most of the mods here do a pretty good job of being helpful to new people. Anytime someone thinks a mod is not being fair or respectful to a new person (or a veteran), I encourage them to send the mod a PM and let them know.
link and link
Have them fix this problem BT! People I send here can't even get the basics.
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: To educate sheeple or not educate sheeple...
Right. Anyway, if you were to "educate the sheeple," what would you hope would happen?
That a group of people who seem hardwired NOT to think for themselves and see reality for what it is, independent of what they get from their masters or leader, or from the electronic teat, would suddendly come to be able to think critically, by virtue of this external force (yet again!?!?) and, as if by magic, become all smartened up and functional?
And evermore, be immune from the siren song of the fecal matter-squirting nozzle that helped make them be brain-dead zombies in the first place? Hate to have to use this metaphor, but if I was choosing sides for "Capture the Flag," those clowns would be the LAST one's I'd even consider for my team. _________________ Discuss sustainability at www.ThinkPlan.org
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: To educate sheeple or not educate sheeple...
zeke wrote:
Right. Anyway, if you were to "educate the sheeple," what would you hope would happen? That a group of people who seem hardwired NOT to think for themselves and see reality for what it is, independent of what they get from their masters or leader, or from the electronic teat, would suddendly come to be able to think critically, by virtue of this external force (yet again!?!?) and, as if by magic, become all smartened up and functional?
And evermore, be immune from the siren song of the fecal matter-squirting nozzle that helped make them be brain-dead zombies in the first place? Hate to have to use this metaphor, but if I was choosing sides for "Capture the Flag," those clowns would be the LAST one's I'd even consider for my team. zeke
If they could be educated, they wouldn't be in the current position, to begin with. It's just another paradox. _________________ capitalism *is* fun blog
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: To educate sheeple or not educate sheeple...
I don't know, zeke. I still say a big reason why sheeple are sheeple is because the shepherd is not doing a good job. Have you never had a bad teacher? Were you to blame for not learning?
Today's example: My brother announces his bitch is on heat and a neighbor will bring a dog tonight. He made up his mind and he wants a litter. FYI, my brother can bearily scratch 2 cents together. What do I do, regardless if it's my brother, your brother, or anybody else?
I gave my standard PO, overshooting, cargoism, etc, lecture. Probably it won't help, but not to do anything is declaring defeat and weakness on my part.
My 2 cents.
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: To educate sheeple or not educate sheeple...
BigTex wrote:
Ferretlover wrote:
allenwrench wrote:
Have them fix this problem BT! People I send here can't even get the basics.
Basics? Please be more specific.
Apparently the threads he's linking to aren't working.
When I click on the 'read more' about peak oil intro at our home page it does not work. a community peak oil portal
The midpoint of global hydrocarbon production read more
link just get...
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: To educate sheeple or not educate sheeple...
allenwrench wrote:
To educate sheeple or not educate sheeple...that is the question?
No. Say nada. Zip the lip.
Appear as normal, and untrammeled as absolutely possible. When someone asks you on the street... party line.. "bad ole oil companies be rippin us off!" or "stupid government won't let us drill for oil!"; as best suits your locale and temperament.
If you *must* publicize, I'd go with anonymous stickers stuck on walls, benches, that sort of thing. _________________ Yes, we are. As we are.
And so shall we remain; Until the end.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: To educate sheeple or not educate sheeple...
darwinsdog wrote:
Even if you're well armed so will "they" be. And if you have food you won't be as hunger motivated as they are. Armed groups of hungry people will kill you & take your food. Preparations are useless.
+1
This is also my point of view.
[EDITED--COC VIOLATION--BIGTEX]
Hard-core doomers should count on joining military. _________________ The poor complain; they always do,
But that's just idle chatter.
Our system brings rewards to all,
At least to all who matter.
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