How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:19 am Post subject: Re: Israeli warplanes rebase to US bases in Iraq
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Iran is showing every sign of being backed into a corner. And, while it may be fun to watch them squirm, it could result in unintended consequences, just like with the Japanese in WWII.
I'd say it is the neo-cons getting backed into a corner by the economy. While Obama and various dem congressman are not without pliability to be supportive of the neo-con causes, Mccain and various republicans (especially the rabid religious rightwingers) require no artful manipultion and no excuses for their naked support of acquisition and support for acquisitive military "adventures".
Commiting to war with Iran before the election could make a lot of "sense" to them.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:31 am Post subject: Re: Israeli warplanes rebase to US bases in Iraq
Cid_Yama wrote:
"It will affect other producers, not just Iran. I mean the oil exporters Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates. Any problem from the United States or Israel to the region would be a threat to 40 percent of all the world's traded oil."
It's a sensible strategy, if it comes down to a matter of survival. The US military might be vast and mighty but it's not going anywhere without fuel. And let's face it... Iran is already in Iran; it doesn't have to go anywhere to get there or be there. Everybody else does, and that means using oil above and beyond what's needed to live day-to-day. _________________ I can has cheezburger?
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Israeli warplanes rebase to US bases in Iraq
I wonder what the chinese response would be to any attack on Iran.
China sell massive amounts of cheap stuff to America for US$. That's a hell of a lot of US$ leaving the US economy. But China are kind. They put those US$ back into the US economy by buying Treasury bonds off the US government. It's kind of like the scene in Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, where Hatchet Harry lends the guy the money to continue in the poker game, because the game is rigged and Harry knows he will win. China lends America money so that they can continue losing it to China.
I imagine if America attacked Iran china might start having some doubts as to whether they'd like to keep America in the poker game. No point try to deal with violent and irrational people. Perhaps better to cut them off now before they get in too deep, if they let America get in the hole so deep it's impossible to get out there could be unpredictable consequences. America with all its power will never admit being 'broke' it would rather just break the rules I think.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:56 pm Post subject: Re: Israeli warplanes rebase to US bases in Iraq
stu wrote:
Cid, If I was to totally believe that story and then take your word for it I would be telling my family and friends about it and when they say "yeah but I haven't seen it on any major news websites or on tv" I would say "trust me. There's a guy on the internet who swears it's true". You can see the problem with the logic can't you? No reliable source means no credible story.
Just like the unnamed official sources for most of our MSM stories.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: Israeli warplanes rebase to US bases in Iraq
mystiek wrote:
As far as Obama-I am concerned about somebody that isn't tough enough to handle some "criticism" of his wife and gets offended at cartoons about him and his wife. Whoever gets in better be tough because he is going to have alot harder things to deal with than this petty stuff.
Will the next New Yorker cover do it to McCain? I would like to contribute to that, but I don't think it will happen.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:19 am Post subject: Re: Israeli warplanes rebase to US bases in Iraq
Keith_McClary wrote:
stu wrote:
Cid, If I was to totally believe that story and then take your word for it I would be telling my family and friends about it and when they say "yeah but I haven't seen it on any major news websites or on tv" I would say "trust me. There's a guy on the internet who swears it's true".
You can see the problem with the logic can't you? No reliable source means no credible story.
Just like the unnamed official sources for most of our MSM stories.
Considering the source for this story originated from some random Iraqi or Iranian website and that the MSM have dismissed it I think it's fair to say that it has no credibility. _________________ "The age of excess is over. The age of entropy has begun"
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Israeli warplanes rebase to US bases in Iraq
Is Iran possibly being put on the back burner becasue of escalating problems in Pakistan?
I have been watching the deteriorating situation in Pakistan for a couple of months now wiithout posting, but there are definetly things brewing there;
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US will strike al-Qaeda targets in Pak, says Obama
Washington, Jul 21 (PTI) Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama has warned Pakistan saying his administration will strike at al-Qaeda targets there if Washington gets "actionable intelligence" on the presence of terror groups.
"... What I've said is that if we had actionable intelligence against high-value al-Qaeda targets and the Pakistani government was unwilling to go after those targets, then we should," Obama, currently on a tour to Afghanistan and Iraq, said.
"Now, my hope is that it doesn't come to that. Pakistani government would recognise that if we had Osama bin Laden in our sights, that we should fire or capture..." the 47-year-old Senator from Illinois, said in an interview to CBS News which was broadcast on its Face The Nation programme.
Obama's remark came as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice also asked Pakistan government to do more to stabilise the region. "It's very clear that more has to be done to stabilise the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. More has to be done," Rice said on the 'Late Edition' of CNN aired yesterday.
The Democrat, who aspires to be the first black-American president, said: "I think actually this is current doctrine. There was some dispute when I said this last August. Both the administration and some of my opponents suggested, well, you know, you shouldn't go around saying that. But I don't think there's any doubt that it should be our policy and will continue to be our policy... I don't think there is going to be a change there." "The US has to take a regional approach to the problem. Just as we can't be myopic and focus only on Iraq, we also can't think that we can solve the security problems here in Afghanistan without engaging the Pakistani government," he said. PTI
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Just saw this;
Chief Security officer of Bilawal House killed in Pakistan
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Police said that unknown gunmen riding motorbike opened fire at him, wounding him seriously. He received three bullets and died of wounds in the hospital.
Maybe we need to start a separate Pakistani thread.... _________________ Lets take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
You cant hide, run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: Israeli warplanes rebase to US bases in Iraq
Not sure if this guy is the real deal but he boast the fancy titles of the Right Honorable The Earl of Stirling, hereditary Governor & Lord Lieutenant of Canada, Lord High Admiral of Nova Scotia.
Operation Brimstone ~ you know like "Fire & Brimstone", what God in the Old Testament said He would next use to punish the World [I am NOT making this up] ~ is a very powerful US/UK/French naval battle force (three carriers and lots of other warships) engaged in at-sea war games in the Atlantic Ocean at this moment. If by the end of this month ~ a few days ~ Iran does not capacitate to the demands (by six neo-con 'world powers') to end their maybe non-existent nuclear weapons program and legal uranium enrichment program, then a formal act-of-war under international law will be initiated. This shall take the form of a air/land/sea blockade of Iran for certain key economic necessities (such as refined energy products), necessary to ensure the continuation of the Iranian society.
This will almost certainly begin the Third World War.
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On the level of certain globalist super-elites, there is a "need" to "thin the herd". In other words, there are too many "unnecessary eaters" ~ us ~ in the world and a nice brief but hyper intense world war will allow a restructuring of things ~ a global corporatist restructuring of the corporatist one world/New World Order. Too bad most of us have to die to make it happen; of course, the rest get to be corporatist slaves in a new high tech police state with RFID chips/etc/etc.
If you want to live, you will begin to purchase enough food, gas, medicine, water, necessities for at least six months and be ready to self-quarantine yourself and your family. Things are apt to get "most interesting" over the next couple of weeks to six months.
I think his writing style is a bit sus for a nobleman and the fact that he writes things like hammas and hezholla (not just once) sets off a few alarm bells. Anyway, thought you should see it anyway, in case he is the real McCoy. _________________ Lets take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
You cant hide, run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
- Pet Shop Boys
It's a very hard struggle particularly given the situation on the Iraq - Pakistani border.
PLEASE tell me this guy just did a slip of tounge.
We don't need another complete idiot as president of US. _________________ Lets take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
You cant hide, run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
- Pet Shop Boys
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: Re: Israeli warplanes rebase to US bases in Iraq
The Russians have decided they need to confront the United States hard. This has gone from regional considerations to global over the last week or so. Since Rice's visit to Georgia and the Czech aquiesence to US deployment. _________________ In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
- George Orwell
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:00 am Post subject: Re: Israeli warplanes rebase to US bases in Iraq
Cid_Yama wrote:
The Russians have decided they need to confront the United States hard. This has gone from regional considerations to global over the last week or so. Since Rice's visit to Georgia and The Czech aquiesence to US deployment.
That was a bit brief for being you cid.... Any source? _________________ Lets take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:19 am Post subject: Re: Israeli warplanes rebase to US bases in Iraq
See 'Cold War heats up with a vengence' here under Geopolitics. _________________ In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
- George Orwell
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:13 am Post subject: Re: Israeli warplanes rebase to US bases in Iraq
bobcousins wrote:
Cid_Yama wrote:
Watch and see.
Still waitin' !
A watched Iran is never attacked
And Cid never stops typing about it. _________________ Peak oil is sort of like a mental Everlasting Gobstopper, except it tastes like ass and you can't get it out of your mouth.
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