Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
POAlex wrote:
Amen, mystiek.
My hope is built on nothing less
Than Jesus’ blood and righteousness;
I dare not trust the sweetest frame,
But wholly lean on Jesus’ name.
Refrain:
On Christ, the solid Rock, I stand;
All other ground is sinking sand,
All other ground is sinking sand.
When darkness veils His lovely face,
I rest on His unchanging grace;
In every high and stormy gale,
My anchor holds within the veil.
His oath, His covenant, His blood
Support me in the whelming flood;
When all around my soul gives way,
He then is all my hope and stay.
When He shall come with trumpet sound,
Oh, may I then in Him be found;
Dressed in His righteousness alone,
Faultless to stand before the throne.
Alex
That is such a great hymn. I remember when I was just knew in the faith and went to an Open Bible Church. There were alot of much older brothers and sisters there, and boy the stories they had. But I do remember that we kept alot of those older songs in the worship because of them.
Remember this one?
Those who wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength
They shall mount up with wings as eagles
They shall run and not be weary
The shall walk and not faint
Teach me Lord, teach me Lord, to wait
Or,
....beautiful for situation
The joy of the whole earth
is Mount Zion on the sides of the north
the city of the Great King
is Mount Zion on the sides of the north
The city of the Great King
And
Oh the blood of Jesus
Oh the blood of Jesus
Oh the blood of Jesus
It washes white as snow
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
When things look crazy I love to say Romans 8: 28 "And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose"
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Those are great hymns, peleg. I really love the old ones, they're timeless.
Here's another I'm thankful for, mystiek.
"When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee." (Isaiah 43:2)
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
POAlex wrote:
Those are great hymns, peleg. I really love the old ones, they're timeless.
Here's another I'm thankful for, mystiek.
"When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee." (Isaiah 43:2)
Alex
Amen.
'The steps of a man are established by the Lord; And He delights in his way. When he falls, he shall not be hurled headlong; Because the Lord is the One who holds his hand. I have been young, and now I am old; Yet I have not seen the righteous forsaken, or his seed begging bread. All day long he is gracious and lends; and his descendants are a blessing.'
Psalm 37:23-26
That means so much more to me today than it did when I first heard it almost 19 years ago.
This verse was brought to my remembrance today.
'And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to preserve you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach-- if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast.' Col 1:21-23
Now that is NAS. Look how clear this becomes when we look into the NLV (my wife is very blessed by NLV.)
'He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth by means of his blood on the cross. This includes you who were once so far away from God. You were his enemies, separated from him by your evil thoughts and actions, yet now he has brought you back as his friends. He has done this through his death on the cross in his own human body. As a result, he has brought you into the very presence of God, and you are holy and blameless as you stand before Him without a single fault. But you must continue to believe this truth and stand in it firmly. Don't drift away from the assurance you recieved when you heard the Good News.'
Col 1:20 -23
Alot of people in church never understand that the blood of Christ washes white as snow. How blessed are those who know that though we stumble in many ways, through repentance (which is really submission and right response to the conviction of the Holy Spirit) we are renewed again to a standing beyond reproach with God. That said for some sins there are consequences which cannot be repented of. So it is better if we learn as soon as possible to keep our own vessels in sanctification and honor (2 Thess 4:3-8.)
God bless you all. It is clear to me by finding you here that He has blessed you. The knowledge of peak oil is so caustic to the consumerist mind that only those who crave truth or are severely embittered against the status quo would stay here for long. I am glad to have found that many here (both believers and unbelievers) crave truth and justice. I pray those who do not know will understand this verse as it applies to those who believe and long for this truth as well.
''But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption, that , just as it is written, "Let Him who boasts, boast in the Lord." 1 Corinthians 1:30,31
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:04 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
"Therefore do not pray for this people, nor lift up a cry or prayer for them; for I will not listen when they call to Me because of their disaster.
'What right has My beloved in My house when she has done many vile deeds?'"
Jeremiah 11:14,15
Has there ever been a nation so blessed priding itself that is has a name blessed by God? And yet just as other nations most have forsaken the Lord. But how much worse is it for those who have heard the truth to reject it, yes even worse, to sit in church and reject it in their heart.
"I have forsaken My house, I have abandoned My inheritance;
I have given the beloved of My soul into the hand of her enemies"
Jeremiah 12:7
"An appalling and horrible thing has happened in the land; The prophets prophesy falsely and the priests rule on their own authority; and My peple love it so! But what will you do at the end of it?"
Jeremiah 5:30,31
"Why should I pardon you? Your sons have forsaken Me and sworn by those who are not gods. When I had fed them to the full, they committed adultery and trooped to the harlots house. They were well-fed lusty horses, each one neighing after his neighbor's wife. Shall I not punish these people," declares the Lord, "And on a nation such as this shall I not avenge Myself?"
Jeremiah 5:7-9
"Has a nation changed gods, when they were not gods? But my people have changed their glory for that which does not profit."
Jeremiah 2:11
"The the Lord stretched out His hand and touched my mouth, and the Lord said to me, 'Behold, I have put my words in your mouth. See, I have appointed you this day over the nations and over the kingdoms, to pluck up and to break down, to destroy and to overthrow, to build and to plant.'"
Jeremiah 1:9,10
Where is the Jeremiah generation! James Dobson recently suggested he might turn back on his refusal to endorse John McCain because it was said, he was the least of two evils. Does McCain want to be endorsed like this? And tell me was the Cross the least of two evils?
There comes a time when things are not right and God's people must be.
"We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding, in order that we might know Him who is true, and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life. Little children, guard yourselves from idols."
1 John 5:19-21
What great sacrifices have the American Christians made for their Lord, the sacrifice of luxury and sloth. And when their true master barked and struck with the lash they gave the sacrifice of cursing. But through it all they did not return to the Lord whose name they claimed for their own.
Is that to be our epitaph?
It will not help McCain to be endorsed by those who think it their call to reform the world along Christian lines. The Church in this age is to be a good steward over that which God has given us, but it is not given to rule the earth, rather to show an example of faith and love and righteousness. It is for this last that we have all cared about our laws, but we have been deceived. The Consitution makes room for faith but it does not issue from faith in Jesus Christ. We live here at peace enjoying it but only for a time. The goal of the Christian life is a city whose builder and maker is God. And whether we find ourselves in Rome or in Sparta we must be true to the message of the Gospel. We are not of this world.
"For we have brought nothing into the world, it is clear that we cannot take anything out of it either."
1 Timothy 6:7
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:25 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
joelcolorado wrote:
WOW, no wonder ppl think Christianity is nuts. Too complicated with all the scripture just crammed at me. AND, I am a minister so dont start......
Just cant reach anyone who is lost like that? What good does that all do? You dont even understand it how can they>
Why do the Fundies only quote the Bible. Being a Minister, you must know about the extensive research libraries seminaries have. What Planet are they from?
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
Its like the funies saying the earth is only 6,000 yrs old. We know its not. And that doesnt destroy my faith one bit. How can a finite human being understand creation and an infiinite God.
We all want an infinite God yet we try then to put human qualities and thots into His persona. Weird. We want to understand everything and cannot.
The Gospels are simple and very clear. Jesus told us how to act, what to do and how to be reunited with God, His father. THAT is the key to the bible, not all the arguing and doctrines and theories. What a waste of time while the world is going to hell.
PPl argue bout the end times instead of reaching out to those who are hurting the most and headed for an eternity of separation from God. THAT my friends is the purpse of the entire text. How to reunite man with God. NOT the other things ppl argue about and which separate us into denominations squabbling over details.
Tongues or no tongus, post or pre trib, water baptism or sprinkling..GOOD GRIEF> how God much be grieved.
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:46 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
joelcolorado wrote:
WOW, no wonder ppl think Christianity is nuts. Too complicated with all the scripture just crammed at me. AND, I am a minister so dont start......
Just cant reach anyone who is lost like that? What good does that all do? You dont even understand it how can they>
Understanding is a gift from God. I understand it. Please remind me never to attend your church............brother.
The gospel is not wine and roses. God is just and righteous and it is the explicit duty of God's people to know his words. The life of Jeremiah is as pertinent today as it was when he suffered at the hands of those who thought their empire would never fall, corrupt as it was.
God is the good of anyone who submits to Him.
"Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you....humble yourselves in the presence of the Lord, and He will exalt you."
James 4:8-10
"Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you at the proper time,"
1 Peter 5:6
I cannot be of much help to anyone who does not see that America has rejected Christ at every level, from the pulpit to the marriage bed, to the schoolyard, to the halls of government. Those who fight the evil they see are themselves often deceived by counselors who tell them America will never and can never fall, she is blessed by God.
I am not afraid to speak the truth in these times because I remember a time when every preacher warned America about her sins and she was the better for it. But now the preachers are in fear of the wolves in the streets and their fear will be their undoing.
"to the degree that she glorified herself and lived sensuously, to the same degree giver her torment and morning; for she says in her heart, "I sit as a Queen and I am not a widow, and will never see mourning.' Revelation 18:7
Our media spends more time eulogizing homosexuals than even caring to notice the epidemic of child abuse, alcoholism, drug abuse, corporate greed,....
I am not afraid to call it like it is and if the preachers of this land would turn themselves over again to God's way and preach a message of repentance from sin they might actually do some good for themselves. But it is more like this,
"For the shepherds have become stupid and have not sought the Lord; Therefore they have not prospered, and all their flock is scattered" Jeremiah 10:21
And this
'Because you say, "I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing," and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked,'
Revelation 3:17
Am I not a patriot? Do I wish ill on my country? Not so, but I remember the days when a person could enter a church and be engaged in conversations about God's Word, and the fear of the Lord was spoken of among the saints. This did not disappear yesterday.
"And they heal the brokenness of the daughter of My people superficially, saying 'peace, peace,' but there is no peace. Were they ashamed because of the abomination they had done? They certainly were not ashamed, and they did not know how to blush; therefore they shall fall among those who fall; at the time of their punishment they shall be brought down," declares the Lord.
Jeremiah 8:12
'Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, cruel, with fury and burning anger, to make the land a desolation; and He will exterminate its sinners from it. For the stars of heaven and their constellations will not flash forth their light; the sun will be dark when it rises, and the moon will not shed its light. Thus I will punish the world for its evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; I will also put an end to the arrogance of the proud, and abase the haughtiness of the ruthless. I will make mortal man scarcer than pure gold, and mankind than the gold of Ophir. Therefore I shall make the heavens tremble, and the earth will be shaken from its place at the fury of the Lord of hosts in the day of His burning anger.'
an unfulfilled prophecy of Isaiah (Is 13:9-13)
"And He when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin,...., concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me." John 16:8,9
The Spirit of Truth has been in the believers for nigh unto 2000 years and by them has spread the Gospel far and wide. There are not many revivals left before the Lord must take His power and begin to reign.
"We give Thee thanks, O Lord God, the Almighty, who art and who wast, because Thou has taken Thy great power and hast begun to reign. And the nations were enraged, and Thy wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to give their reward to the saints and to those who fear Thy name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth."
Revelation 11:17,18
The cry of the church in America is more like this,
We give Thee thanks, O Lord God, the Indifferent, that you have kept thy nose out of our affairs and will continue to do so, that we might reign on the earth as kings each one, that we might do our evil and our good and never be held to account for it.
Notice that in the real prayer of Revelation the nations raged. They try to stop the spread of the Gospel understanding that it portends the coming of Christ to rule and reign, they know they are the destroyers of the earth and are therefore destined for destruction.
"Why are the nations in an uproar, and the peoples devising a vain thing?" Psalm 2:1
The earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof, His people ought to be found speaking of Him, in their coming in and their going out. What is this I see? A Christian nation with pagan arts and sciences? A Christian nation with pagan rulers who walk the paths of Trajan and Nero.
We all need God's grace, but we must all also walk in it. May the Lord grant us the strength to do so. May he grant us to come to repentance and stop telling ourselves 'the message is too harsh, who can keep it.' The Bible speaks of a radical faith, one which opposes the sin of this life not conforms to it.
But that means little to so many now, even those who are in church and do not believe that God exists at all.
"The fool has said in his heart 'There is no God.'" Psalm 14:1
"The wicked, in the haughtiness of his countenance, does not seek Him. All his thoughts are, 'There is no God.' Psalm 10:4
"Have the workers of wickedness no knowledge, who eat up My people as though they ate bread, and have not called upon God?"
Psalm 53:4
It is the greatest delusion of all for a nation to think itself blessed by God because of it's material wealth and not because of the abundance of righteousness.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:54 am Post subject: Re: Christian Perspectives on Peak Oil
I dont want God's mercy
I need His Grace.
Been round the block and seen and heard everything out there, honestly. Just think that man's unbelievable need to be RIGHT about everything and his need to understand everything drives the church toward a thirst for head knowledge which many assume will elevate them to a new plane whereby they can do wonderful things or lord it over others is stupid.
The most simple ppl in the farthest reaches of the earth somehow are able to do signs and wonders that we cannot do. Somehow they have learned at the feet of Jesus just like the apostles did, the things we cannot yet grasp.
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