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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:24 am Post subject: Re: Henry Kissinger and Colin Powell on board
Wow, what a car wreck of a thread. Never mind... _________________ "If a path to the better there be, it begins with a full look at the worst." — Thomas Hardy
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Henry Kissinger and Colin Powell on board
coyote wrote:
Wow, what a car wreck of a thread. Never mind...
Sorry man My hatred of Kissinger goes back a long long way. Furthermore and as far I can tell Powell's lied and people die. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:45 am Post subject: Re: Henry Kissinger and Colin Powell on board
coyote wrote:
Wow, what a car wreck of a thread. Never mind...
I agree coyote. Personal biases, political beliefs, ideological view points......... cause some folks to call others names, disparage other points of view, and belittle politicians of another party. It does not help or add to the debate.
These people will not change, and they will continue to demonstrate their ignorance. They are no different from the taliban, yet they think they are somehow more enlightened than the rest of the masses. _________________ Viddy well, little brother. Viddy well.
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: Henry Kissinger and Colin Powell on board
AlexdeLarge wrote:
coyote wrote:
Wow, what a car wreck of a thread. Never mind...
I agree coyote. Personal biases, political beliefs, ideological view points......... cause some folks to call others names, disparage other points of view, and belittle politicians of another party. It does not help or add to the debate.
These people will not change, and they will continue to demonstrate their ignorance. They are no different from the taliban, yet they think they are somehow more enlightened than the rest of the masses.
Are you comparing me to the taliban because I pointed out Kissinger is a war criminal? If so, that should get you banned from this site.
Any effort to meet growing demand and address environmental concerns with continued economic growth requires...
They take credit for inflation: "Over the last 30 years, we have cut the amount of energy needed to produce a dollar of gross domestic product by nearly one-half."
And regarding the oil the letter is written so it appears they are concerned about the ability to grow oil production to continue historical rates of economic expansion.
Anyone not aware about the true energy crisis will not notice anything to be concerned about in this letter. Making it perhaps mainly another pimp for more globalized powers to Kissy and his gang.
It reads like something a smart, but in denial high school kid would write.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Henry Kissinger and Colin Powell on board
coyote wrote:
Wow, what a car wreck of a thread.
Amen, brother. Didn't go well at all, did it?
We're completely missing the historical significance of this bunch drafting this document. Screw the "taint" we might feel a few of them bring to the effort. As if that matters.
The point is, a bunch of heavyweights are sounding the alarm, and it's going to get a lot of people's attention, one would hope. Killing the messenger in this case is an especially bad idea. Sure, they talk about "economic concerns", but would we expect them not to? We all know what Peak Oil is going to do to the world economy, don't we?
The point is that they know what's coming, they're trying to get people's attention, and they'll do exactly that simply because of who they are. _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Henry Kissinger and Colin Powell on board
Zardoz wrote:
We're completely missing the historical significance of this bunch drafting this document. Screw the "taint" we might feel a few of them bring to the effort. As if that matters.
The point is, a bunch of heavyweights are sounding the alarm, and it's going to get a lot of people's attention, one would hope. Killing the messenger in this case is an especially bad idea. Sure, they talk about "economic concerns", but would we expect them not to? We all know what Peak Oil is going to do to the world economy, don't we?
The point is that they know what's coming, they're trying to get people's attention, and they'll do exactly that simply because of who they are.
The letter is a good try, but nothing in the way of an energy policy is going to happen in the US until the Congress votes for something to happen. And Congress under Pelosi has already made it clear that they aren't voting for anything requiring sacrifice or long range planning. This Congress will support a lawsuit against OPEC, new legislation to rein in evil speculators, a law to stop filling the strategic petroleum reserve and thats about it. The newest push from Pelosi's Congress is draining the strategic petroleum reserve to bring down gas prices. Good luck with that. _________________ "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: Henry Kissinger and Colin Powell on board
pstarr wrote:
coyote wrote:
Wow, what a car wreck of a thread. Never mind...
Sorry man My hatred of Kissinger goes back a long long way. Furthermore and as far I can tell Powell's lied and people die.
oh yes kiss is the kiss of death...
Remember our little friend's National Security Council Study Memorandum 200 of 1974.
Where he pretty much said - "we are the smart ones...you are the dumb ones...oh and by the way...there are too many of you ....so 80 percent gotz 2 go".
Jack - meet your new boss... _________________ "There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
"... hope is a rotten-thighed whore" Niko Kazantzakis
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Henry Kissinger and Colin Powell on board
midnight-gamer wrote:
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Somebody needs to push those bastards off my life raft.
Not nice Pstarr. I will do some research to see if these two deserve such hateful condemnation.
How's this for starters: while working for President Johnson he undermined the Paris Peace talks to end the Vietnam war. This gave Nixon a chance to be the hero for ending the war, and Kissinger a job in the Nixon Whitehouse.
Above link wrote:
Four years later he successfully brokered THE SAME PLAN only by this time, twenty thousand more American troops had been killed along with hundreds of thousands of civilians in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. The only people who benefited from this were Nixon and his top officials including Kissinger.
Just one of seven war crimes outlined by Hitchen in his handy little pocket guide to evil. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Joined: Nov 01, 2005 Posts: 834 Location: Euro high horse bastard on the run
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: Henry Kissinger and Colin Powell on board
kjmclark wrote:
Wow, you know better than Robert Hirsch *and* Kunstler!
They can't say "peak oil", because people will google "peak oil" and find either LATOC or peakoil.com. Either way, they will find out that either it's the end of life as we know it or we're headed to Mad Max (according to "Experts" PStarr and KevO).
Better still, sheeple can find that unholy "die-off" scenario to be unfolded in a few decades, which will radicalize the J6P beyond the possible conventional containment powers of national guard/police/blackwater forces..
Anyway, the only important question at this point remains, do the PTB depopulate the planet in several steps (genetic biowarfare, sparing the "west/north" for a while) or regionaly (ME, Asia, proxy warfare) or just shut it completely in one moment (H-bomb, nuke) and retreate into doomsday bunkers to start again with just thousands of the "selected best".
--
2014 - the year of first nuclear winter,
U.S. Doomsday bunker facility somewhere deep under in the Rockies,
2nd ward "Freedom Continues Preparation Room":
Cheney + X.Y.Z fe-male supermodel => newborn psycho-Einstein?
Rumsfeld + X.Y.Z fe-male supermodel => newborn zombie leader?
Pelosi + X.Y.Z. male supermodel => newborn union con-leader?
D. Trump + X.Y.Z female supermodel => newborn lumberjack?
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Joined: Nov 01, 2005 Posts: 834 Location: Euro high horse bastard on the run
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: Henry Kissinger and Colin Powell on board
AlexdeLarge wrote:
I agree coyote. Personal biases, political beliefs, ideological view points......... cause some folks to call others names, disparage other points of view, and belittle politicians of another party. It does not help or add to the debate.
Very poor joke, in fact and based on historical record, types like Powell, Kissi, Zbig, Pelosi, and others are just of the same party alliance, it's called the e.s.t.a.b.l.i.s.h.m.e.n.t., aka the grand old bipartisan Repu-cratic party. _________________ DOOMerotron: at all-time high [8.1] out of 10..
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: Henry Kissinger and Colin Powell on board
I think we should applaud the Institute for 21st Century Energy for their communique. While it is clear that they represent establishment interests, including those in oil, coal and nuclear, we should respect the fact that energy conservation was put FIRST in their list of priorities. For the political left to attack the motives of the institute (or the track record of the players), wastes an opportunity to leverage this crucial fact. How about for once we cling to the positives which are available to us here?
Analysing the message in its entirely I conclude that even those with the greatest means to adapt to adversity, the wealthy, are apparently concerned that "the centre may not hold" and that they could in fact lose everything. It's either that or retirement for these people has caused a quickening of their moral sensibilities, and they simply want to "do good".
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My hatred of Kissinger goes back a long long way. Furthermore and as far I can tell Powell's lied and people die.
ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap 
