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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:12 am    Post subject: Why Oil is Falling: Wall Street Journal item Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapital/2008/07/16/oil-slick-why-are-crude-prices-falling/

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July 16, 2008, 11:01 am
Oil Slick: Why Are Crude Prices Falling?
Posted by Keith Johnson

After crude oil’s biggest one-day drop in 18 years, there’s been no bounce—not even a dead-cat bounce. Crude kept falling in early Wednesday trading, even as the dollar rattled around at record lows against the euro.

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But if it’s not supply or demand, then what’s pushing oil prices down? A lot of traders say technical factors, from electronic trading programs that pull the trigger at certain price points, to a slew of options set to expire tomorrow. At the same time, cash-strapped banks that invested heavily in commodities could be unwinding positions to get their dough. That is—oil’s recent slide doesn’t herald a return to $60 barrels, but is just the market hitching up its pants a la Arnold Palmer before another charge at the peak.

EC readers, with oil prices still falling, is there any answer for why?



Good points. He may be right.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:22 am    Post subject: Re: Why Oil is Falling: Wall Street Journal item Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

a good summarization of all the factors except Iran. I heard Banks/financials were dumping thier Oil/energy sector investments because they need the $ to cover bad loans. Oil isnt going much lower for much longer ,buying oportunity soon.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:57 am    Post subject: Re: Why Oil is Falling: Wall Street Journal item Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Oil has "fallen" like this several times recently.

It's falling because of the perception that the Fed has stanched the financial crisis and that slower growth in the US will mean much less global demand.

Wrong on both counts.

Oil is falling, but any such pullbacks must and will prove temporary and ultimately meaningless.

The Fed has accomplished a temporary psychological boost, but all the debt is still sitting there, unpaid and rising daily.

Oil will always be trending higher, forevermore.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:30 am    Post subject: Re: Why Oil is Falling: Wall Street Journal item Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It's falling because of fears of a global economic slowdown. The range that it has fallen so far is still within the "profit-taking" range though.

If it falls by more than around 15%, then you're looking at something a little more important than normal market fluctuation. And then if it falls by around 20 - 25%, then you're looking at something fundamental - like confirmed signs of a global slowdown.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Why Oil is Falling: Wall Street Journal item Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Can you imagine if America starts a big conservation program? It might be happening already? Can you believe in miracles?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Why Oil is Falling: Wall Street Journal item Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

yeah S.Worrier, God could stick his head out of the heavens and point his index finger and all the oil reserves in world will be as full as they were in 1890A.D.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Why Oil is Falling: Wall Street Journal item Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

You have to look at buying something that can only go up with time. Jevrons paradox tells us that any conservation the US does will be sucked up else where. I think this is in part based on reported increase in supplies on hand, and I don't trust the figures. This is an election year, and the government will do strange things in response to the political winds.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Why Oil is Falling: Wall Street Journal item Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

There was a time not so long ago when predicting $130 oil put you in the kooky bin.

Today it's "falling" to $134/$136 *rolls eyes*

Oil will fall from it's highs of around $147/$148 on the back of slowing economic conditions. However continued devaluation of the US dollar by printing more notes and PO means oil can only go up in price.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Why Oil is Falling: Wall Street Journal item Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

vetusfirma wrote:
You have to look at buying something that can only go up with time. Jevrons paradox tells us that any conservation the US does will be sucked up else where. I think this is in part based on reported increase in supplies on hand, and I don't trust the figures. This is an election year, and the government will do strange things in response to the political winds.


Perhish the though! Our government?

Actually, I'm buying the 3rd Thursday of the month argument (futures coming due), but I guess we'll know by Monday. If this drop suddenly stops and heads back up to new territory, yep, it was a futures thing... which would kind of point to the idea that speculation does not add that much of a premium.

On the other hand, if oil continues down for a lengthy period, I'll be looking for my tin-foil hat because every conspiracy theorist will be hitting the net hard.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Why Oil is Falling: Wall Street Journal item Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I thought profit-taking when I saw the drop this morning. I'm not sure that people are conserving all that much.

We shall see. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Why Oil is Falling: Wall Street Journal item Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

RedStateGreen wrote:
I thought profit-taking when I saw the drop this morning. I'm not sure that people are conserving all that much.

Profit taking doesn't quite fit the bill for me. The drop is pretty instantaneous and there is no follow through for the day.

I'm suspicious that its a bit of an "all of the above" type situation where someone big had to liquidate a profitable position to cover a margin call or capital requirement.

RedStateGreen wrote:
We shall see. Smile

ultimately this is probably the best thing to say about it. I just wish the talking heads would be so honest instead of shoveling around piles of BS trying to look like they know something we don't.

In the end, the only person that really knows why is the first person that shouted out "Sell at $133". Everyone else is just guessing
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Why Oil is Falling: Wall Street Journal item Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

'head fake', buying opportunity, call it whatever you want.

the bottom line is, buy buy, buy. Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Why Oil is Falling: Wall Street Journal item Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It's falling because there's too much downward pressure and fear in the market which is threatening the manipulated control of it. Oil is their card to ease the downward pressure on the market when it becomes too much. I've been saying this for months. I would expect oil to go higher and soon as we will most likely have some conflict in the ME within the next month and potentially some real left field events come the olympics. The stage is being set though for a significant drop in oil prices come the fall and a large market rally leading up and into the election.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Why Oil is Falling: Wall Street Journal item Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Price goes down, consumption goes up, price goes back up again.

Don't hold your breath for a " collapse" in price. If it ever gets to $50 then the whole world is bankrupt.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Why Oil is Falling: Wall Street Journal item Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The price will bounce around for a while ... but the long term trend is that it will continue to rise.
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