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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: $2.62 trillion in US bank deposits are uninsured by FDIC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

There are a lot of people with more than $100,000 in a single bank account.

We haven't raised that number since the 1980s and thanks to inflation, it's becoming increasingly common for upper middle class people to have that much cash.

They should have indexed the insurance level to inflation.

Take Bill Gates for an extreme example. He has at least 10 billion in cash (give or take a few billioni).

That means he would need to find 100,000 separate banks in order to deposit all of that money safely.

Unfortunately we don't have anywhere near that many banks. As a a result, most of his money is uninsured.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:09 am    Post subject: Re: $2.62 trillion in US bank deposits are uninsured by FDIC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

You mean poor old Bill Gates might lose some money?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:53 pm    Post subject: Re: $2.62 trillion in US bank deposits are uninsured by FDIC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Kingcoal wrote:
You mean poor old Bill Gates might lose some money?


He worked hard for that money! Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:12 pm    Post subject: Re: $2.62 trillion in US bank deposits are uninsured by FDIC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Kingcoal wrote:
You mean poor old Bill Gates might lose some money?


He might, if his bank goes under.

The $100,000 insurance policy provided by the FDIC is protection for the poor and middle class, not the rich.

There might be some kind of extra insurance that the rich can buy to protect their extremely large deposits but I've never heard of such a thing.

It might become the next big thing if we see another meltdown like IndyMac.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:47 pm    Post subject: Re: $2.62 trillion in US bank deposits are uninsured by FDIC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Tyler_JC wrote:
There are a lot of people with more than $100,000 in a single bank account.

We haven't raised that number since the 1980s and thanks to inflation, it's becoming increasingly common for upper middle class people to have that much cash.

They should have indexed the insurance level to inflation.

Take Bill Gates for an extreme example. He has at least 10 billion in cash (give or take a few billioni).

That means he would need to find 100,000 separate banks in order to deposit all of that money safely.

Unfortunately we don't have anywhere near that many banks. As a a result, most of his money is uninsured.

More likely it is invested in bonds and other debt instruments. If you hold stocks in a brokerage account, you still own the stocks even if the brokerage form goes bust. I sincerely doubt Bill Gates has $10billion sitting in his local savings account!
In fact, I believe much of it is in Microsoft stock anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:05 pm    Post subject: Re: $2.62 trillion in US bank deposits are uninsured by FDIC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I don't think it's any big surprise that so much money is NOT protected by FDIC. It was intended to protect Mom and Pop Savers from the unexpected collapse of their friendly neighborhood savings and loan. It was never engineered to protect 300 million citizens from system-wide failure and the end of civilization.

I don't like the headline because it's nonsensical. Did anyone really believe that every dollar in every bank is protected by the federal government?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:37 pm    Post subject: Re: $2.62 trillion in US bank deposits are uninsured by FDIC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Slightly before the crash, Something like 3 million Americans had net assets over 1 Million Dollars excluding their primary residence.

Also, of the money that is insured, it is not all insured at the same time. The first 50 billion or so gets covered and eveyone else is then uninsured. I think.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:22 am    Post subject: Re: $2.62 trillion in US bank deposits are uninsured by FDIC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I would assume the majority of the uninsured money belongs to corporations and not individuals. Corporations should have counterpart limits in place where they limit the amount of funds per institution based on their credit rating. This protects them from individual bank failures. In the case of a systemic bank failure then the Fed is the lender of last resort in any case.

Individuals are covered up to $100.000 per account per bank if I understand correctly. Therefore, if they have more they can keep it with more than one bank. Money market instruments bought from the bank are not part of the bank's own capital. Those funds are segregated and subject to different treatment.

Segregated brokerage accounts are covered by another insurance scheme that licensed brokers are compelled to pay into. Again those accounts are not part of the broker's own capital and belong to the client in case of bankruptcy. In the case of a shortfall the insurance scheme pays up. If it is empty then likely the taxpayer.

If there is a systemic failure and $2.62 trillion suddenly disappears then likely your $100.000 is not worth squat in any case.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:18 am    Post subject: Re: $2.62 trillion in US bank deposits are uninsured by FDIC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

And over here in Finland my protection is only for € 25 000 (currently about US$ 40 000)!

Although the way the dollar is tanking I might soon have the same protection as in the States. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:19 am    Post subject: Re: $2.62 trillion in US bank deposits are uninsured by FDIC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Take Bill Gates for an extreme example. He has at least 10 billion in cash (give or take a few billioni).

That means he would need to find 100,000 separate banks in order to deposit all of that money safely.


Dear Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and all other rich dudes,

We are pleased to announce the opening of a brand-new banking institution in which to locate your money, which can offer protection against bank failures in the form of FDIC insurance. The FDIC insures a maximum of $100,000 in any given bank account as you may well know. If you are interested in diversifying your accounts and having more protection for your wealth, please send a check or cash (in unmarked bills in non-sequential order) to 203 Wineberry Drive, Raleigh NC.

Thank you for your time.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:18 am    Post subject: Re: $2.62 trillion in US bank deposits are uninsured by FDIC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Seeing as the Feds couldnt pay out on the insured amounts anyways I 'm not really concerned about the "uninsured" amount.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:56 am    Post subject: Re: $2.62 trillion in US bank deposits are uninsured by FDIC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

MrBill wrote:
Therefore, if they have more they can keep it with more than one bank.
Or put a/ relative/s on the account as a/ secondary member/s. This has advantages if the individual kicks the bucket as well, unless the relative in question doesn't like them very much. Then I suppose it could be a disadvantage. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:04 am    Post subject: Re: $2.62 trillion in US bank deposits are uninsured by FDIC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Kingcoal wrote:
You mean poor old Bill Gates might lose some money?


I'm guessing that even if he only got back .50 for every dollar he'd still be filthy rich.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:42 am    Post subject: Re: $2.62 trillion in US bank deposits are uninsured by FDIC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

charliebrownout wrote:
I'm guessing that even if he only got back .50 for every dollar he'd still be filthy rich.


Yeah. I don't think he's got much to worry about. He can afford to pay people to find holes to stick his money in.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:20 am    Post subject: Re: $2.62 trillion in US bank deposits are uninsured by FDIC Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

What kind of bank are those, with 12mln in deposits and 14 in assets? Piggy banks?
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