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burtonridr
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 Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: Sending Troops to Afganastan for terrorists.... Yea Right! |
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Anyone else see right through this BS?
| Quote: | WASHINGTON - Pentagon leader on Wednesday signaled a surge in U.S. forces in Afghanistan "sooner rather than later," a shift that could send some units there within weeks, as officials prepare to cut troop levels in Iraq.
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Take a look at a map, notice how Afghanistan is strategically located on one side of Iran and Iraq on the other side?
Here it comes, I cant believe this is happening..... WTF are they thinking? 
It also says they want to convince Pakistan to allow troops into their country to fight the Taliban... Notice how it also borders Iran?
I can hear it now (Like the police over the intercom) "We have you surrounded, please come out with your hands in the air or we will be forced to open fire...."
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: Sending Troops to Afganastan for terrorists.... Yea Righ |
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Yeah, getting a straight answer out of tptb is like whats her name demanding "parley" with the captain of the Black Pearl.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:45 am Post subject: Re: Sending Troops to Afganastan for terrorists.... Yea Righ |
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It couldn't just be because the Taliban is surging and we lost 9 soldiers recently. No, that would be too simple an explanation.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:33 am Post subject: Re: Sending Troops to Afganastan for terrorists.... Yea Righ |
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| The reason for the surge could also be because we are losing badly in Afghanistan. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:13 am Post subject: Re: Sending Troops to Afganastan for terrorists.... Yea Righ |
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| Kristen wrote: | | The reason for the surge could also be because we are losing badly in Afghanistan. |
If "loosing badly" is the cause, wouldn't that contraindicate pulling troops out of Iraq, though? That hasn't exactly had the ring of the liberation of the Netherlands either.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: Re: Sending Troops to Afganastan for terrorists.... Yea Righ |
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| mos6507 wrote: | | It couldn't just be because the Taliban is surging and we lost 9 soldiers recently. No, that would be too simple an explanation. |
It is, really. 29 US soldiers were killed in Iraq in June; 8 so far this month. Nine soldiers die in Afghanistan and your position is that that justifies a "surge" and troop transfer from Iraq?
The total death of Allied military personnel in Afghanistan, over nearly seven years now, is 891. That's not even a quarter of the troops the US alone has lost in Iraq.
There's probably a good reason the tinfoil hat looks more appropriate shaped to your head than your cat's.
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burtonridr
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: Sending Troops to Afganastan for terrorists.... Yea Righ |
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| mos6507 wrote: | It couldn't just be because the Taliban is surging and we lost 9 soldiers recently. No, that would be too simple an explanation.
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Well if the tin foil hat crowed that believes the taliban is an un-official extension of the CIA(or whatever you want to call it) and that the US government staged 9/11...
Then doesn't this fall right in line with their plan?
Common, you know they are doing this to further put pressure on Iran... I dont believe it to be their only motive.
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Hartmann
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Sending Troops to Afganastan for terrorists.... Yea Righ |
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But cut troops of irak is very dangerous in case of war.
you need more troops from U.S or other bases.
insurgency and al sadar militias could be very happy with this. |
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nobodypanic
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: Sending Troops to Afganastan for terrorists.... Yea Righ |
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| burtonridr wrote: |
Common, you know they are doing this to further put pressure on Iran... I dont believe it to be their only motive. |
if you're going to hit iran from the air, then you'd want to bolster your position to be able to deal w/any possible retaliation from iran into afganastan on the ground. if this move has any other motive, it's a primarily defensive one. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: Sending Troops to Afganastan for terrorists.... Yea Righ |
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How about we bring every last US soldier on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan back to the USA immediately.
How hard is that? Three days and they would be out. Destroy all our gear in place and just leave.
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nobodypanic
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: Sending Troops to Afganastan for terrorists.... Yea Righ |
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| eastbay wrote: | How about we bring every last US soldier on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan back to the USA immediately.
How hard is that? Three days and they would be out. Destroy all our gear in place and just leave. |
you try to do that in three days and you won't have a chance to pull out. you'll be overrun.
you can leave, but it has to be done in an orderly way. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: Sending Troops to Afganastan for terrorists.... Yea Righ |
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| nobodypanic wrote: | | eastbay wrote: | How about we bring every last US soldier on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan back to the USA immediately.
How hard is that? Three days and they would be out. Destroy all our gear in place and just leave. |
you try to do that in three days and you won't have a chance to pull out. you'll be overrun.
you can leave, but it has to be done in an orderly way. |
I usually suggest ONE day. Three days would be orderly enough. Each additional day is one too many. It's insane to have military ground forces in those two countries.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: Sending Troops to Afganastan for terrorists.... Yea Righ |
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| eastbay wrote: | | nobodypanic wrote: | | eastbay wrote: | How about we bring every last US soldier on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan back to the USA immediately.
How hard is that? Three days and they would be out. Destroy all our gear in place and just leave. |
you try to do that in three days and you won't have a chance to pull out. you'll be overrun.
you can leave, but it has to be done in an orderly way. |
I usually suggest ONE day. Three days would be orderly enough. Each additional day is one too many. It's insane to have military ground forces in those two countries. |
and it's even more insane to think you could pull them out within one to three days. it'd be a rout. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:06 am Post subject: Re: Sending Troops to Afganastan for terrorists.... Yea Righ |
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| eastbay wrote: | How about we bring every last US soldier on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan back to the USA immediately.
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Have you factored in the long-term geopolitical outcome of such a measure? I mean, let's assume civil war resumes in Iraq and the Taliban take over Afghanistan again. Bin Laden and Mullah Omar waltz back in and set up shop again.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:24 am Post subject: Re: Sending Troops to Afganastan for terrorists.... Yea Righ |
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| mos6507 wrote: |
Have you factored in the long-term geopolitical outcome of such a measure? I mean, let's assume civil war resumes in Iraq and the Taliban take over Afghanistan again. Bin Laden and Mullah Omar waltz back in and set up shop again. |
Civil War in Iraq is happening right now, and Taliban is regaining power with our soldiers in these countries, and I really don't know how the occupation can change it - we can only support installed puppets. It's like Vietnam - US forbade democratic elections in Southern Vietnam because communists would have won. Many years later after slaughtering 2 million Vietnamese outcome was the same.
The geopolitical outcome will be the same as it is now.
The only way I know which worked for the USA and for other countries with mutual benefits was Marshall Plan with strong commitment to rebuild the country.
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