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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:12 am    Post subject: U.S. to Station Diplomats in Iran!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Unbelievable.

The best news that I have read in a very long time.

Maybe, just maybe, Bush and the TPTB actually concluded that there was no way to attack Iran and not cause TEOTWAWKI.

Really. I'm speechless.

How is this not front page news in every U.S. news outlet?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:16 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. to Station Diplomats in Iran!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I can't believe Israel's allowing this. They're either asleep or they haven't paid the rent on Capitol Hill this month.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:18 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. to Station Diplomats in Iran!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Really very bad news for Israel, IMO.

This means that any attack on Iran would immediately result in the death/capture of diplomats.

Is it possible that this is true? Am I dreaming?

Is this only a ruse to try to get Iran to relax before a bombing?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:22 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. to Station Diplomats in Iran!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Cashmere wrote:
Is this only a ruse to try to get Iran to relax before a bombing?


Like the "friendship medals" Japan gave the US prior to Pearl Harbor? It's possible, I suppose.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:25 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. to Station Diplomats in Iran!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I see a couple of possibilities here. Yes (hopefully) the administration realized that lighting a match in a room full of gasoline vapors is a bad idea. They could also be distancing themselves from a unilateral attack by Israel - "Look see we were trying to negotiate! It wasn't me!" or, they could be setting up negotiations to "break down" and thus justify a joint attack.

Are they really going there to negotiate, or are they giong there to make demands that they know Iran will reject? What happens when they demand Iran to stop enrichment, and Iran tells them to jog off? Even worse, what if some "terrorists" take the diplomats hostage, or kill them? Granted, these are all "what-ifs," but I find it difficult to take this administration at face value considering their track record.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:36 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. to Station Diplomats in Iran!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Perhaps they are doing it to calm fears about an attack thus lowering oil prices.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:42 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. to Station Diplomats in Iran!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

That is good news indeed. I was really beginning to worry lately that our mad cowboy was going to strike again before leaving office. Here's hoping this marks a real shift in our policy, and the eventual marginalization of Ahmedinejad.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:49 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. to Station Diplomats in Iran!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Money is moving from oil to stocks and the market reporters are all giddy and smiling and gushing over all the positives from every angle.

It's so nice to see everyone happy and smiling!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. to Station Diplomats in Iran!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

jbrovont wrote:
They could also be distancing themselves from a unilateral attack by Israel - "Look see we were trying to negotiate! It wasn't me!"


I'd be surprised if this were it. Things would get very rough for Israel if it suddenly became apparent it did not have the unconditional support of the United States. They might actually have to start MEANING it when they say they're looking for more land, uh, peace from their neighbours....
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. to Station Diplomats in Iran!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Perhaps they are doing it to calm fears about an attack thus lowering oil prices.


It's working.

Oil at 130 and heading south.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:18 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. to Station Diplomats in Iran!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think the Administration is pulling the ol' Kansas city shuffle:

Its a blindfold kick back type of a game
Callled the Kansas City Shuffle
Whereas you look left and they fall right
Into the Kansas City Shuffle
Its a they-think you-think you don't know
Type of Kansas City hustle
Where you take your time
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And hang them up, and out to dry

Its a shakedown switch arrive in town
Type of Kansas City Shuffle
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Revenge like this, never sweet-
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:04 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. to Station Diplomats in Iran!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Cashmere wrote:
Shannymara wrote:
Perhaps they are doing it to calm fears about an attack thus lowering oil prices.


It's working.

Oil at 130 and heading south.

Yay! I win! Laughing

If that's the purpose, or at least part of it, gotta say it's a pretty sharp idea.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. to Station Diplomats in Iran!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Shannymara wrote:
Cashmere wrote:
Shannymara wrote:
Perhaps they are doing it to calm fears about an attack thus lowering oil prices.


It's working.

Oil at 130 and heading south.

Yay! I win! Laughing

If that's the purpose, or at least part of it, gotta say it's a pretty sharp idea.


Funny thing. Half of the time TPTB are accused of doing things to intentionally run up oil prices and help BigOil profiteering. Now it's a conspiracy to lower oil prices and take the strain off the greater economy? Make up your tinfoil-covered minds.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:28 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. to Station Diplomats in Iran!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I call BullShit

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The U.S. informed Israel of its plans to send Burns to the talks, emphasizing that this is a one-time meeting and not a change in policy.
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The U.S. also claims it is sending an envoy to the talks because it "doesn't trust" the reports from EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana, the liaison with the Iranians. The Americans said Solana "pulls the wool over our eyes," according to the source in Jerusalem.

Israel emphasized to the U.S. that "there is great importance in maintaining the international demand to suspend uranium enrichment, as mandated by the UN resolution, as a precondition to entering negotiations with Iran. We believe there can be no concession on this demand," the source said. The Americans responded that "the condition remains."


It looks like to me that this is a last show to appear the good guys before the bombs start flying. They'll come in with all smilling faces, make all kinds of demands that Iran can't accept and then say to the world "Hey look, We tried everything we could, but obviously there's only one solution"

I see this more as a prelude to war than an act of peace

And keep in mind its not like the ambassadors are going to setup an office in Tehran tomorrow at the local Hyatt. If this is a legitimate offer it'll take a couple of years before anybody is actually over there. And anything could happen by then Rolling Eyes

In the meantime look at the effect, Oil's down, Gold's down. Happy days are here again.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:30 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. to Station Diplomats in Iran!!! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

mos6507 wrote:
Half of the time TPTB are accused of doing things to intentionally run up oil prices and help BigOil profiteering. Now it's a conspiracy to lower oil prices and take the strain off the greater economy? Make up your tinfoil-covered minds.

Why would making a gesture to indicate they don't intend to attack soon be considered a conspiracy? And since when did I suggest TPTB are deliberately driving up oil prices? I'm in the other camp on that one; I think they'd prefer to keep prices down. But this is all speculation, of course.

Anyway, I resent your insult, but I'll let it go.
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