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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: Speaker Pelosi says no to more offshore oil drilling
Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (dem-SF) reiterated her opposition to offshore oil drill, and she won't allow any new areas to be opened for oil exploration
Pelosi and leader of the Senate Harry Reid (dem-NV) are committed to keeping the ban against opening more of the OCS to oil drilling, and since they and their fellow democrats control both houses of Congress, its a done deal.
No new offshore areas opened to oil drilling means no possibility of significant new sources of domestic oil for the U.S. I guess the democrats are counting on their lawsuit against OPEC to provide the US with some kind of oil supply.
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: Speaker Pelosi says no to more offshore oil drilling
Any major oil discoveries, at this late stage in the game, are going to be offshore somewhere. Playing the "pollution card" at home (with a reasonably regulated industry) means our demand will be fulfilled by generally less-regulated, more polluting offshore drilling on someone's beach.
Hegemonic, ain't it. But, who am I kidding. We'll gladly let the cadmium flow in someone else's river to save a buck or two. _________________ At 1% annual growth, human bodies will incorporate every gram in the observable universe in approximately 10,170 years.
Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 5325 Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: Speaker Pelosi says no to more offshore oil drilling
lawnchair wrote:
our demand will be fulfilled by generally less-regulated, more polluting offshore drilling on someone's beach.
No problemo.
We are happy to send our dollars overseas in return for oil.
And, as a bonus, they can have all the high wage construction jobs and oil service industry jobs and geophysics and other oil company professional jobs too. We don't need any stinkin' oil industry jobs, as long as we can keep our economy humming along by building and selling each other those deluxe tacky condos by the beach.
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: Speaker Pelosi says no to more offshore oil drilling
Once the cannibalism starts, they'll be saying "you know, offshore drilling was a lot easier than this." _________________ People first, then things, then dollars.
There will be enslavement & cannibalism.
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Speaker Pelosi says no to more offshore oil drilling
the last few days i've been driving in San Diego & listened to el Rushbo (Rush Limbaugh) and that's one of the biggest thingsss they're going on about. As PMS noted, Rush's enunciiiiation is ssstellar these daysss, he pronounces words completely when he's not mumbling, and pays particular attention to S.
listening Limbaugh and his callers talk about energy policy is like watching a monkey play with a Rubik's cube. i wish i could get paid money to add some factsss to their show.
anyway, i've heard people refer to Iraqi & other oil as "money in the bank". we're going to drill eventually.
since the sometimes Democratic objection to drilling is environmental concerns, and the best way to drill is carefully, i wish someone would point out that is best for the environment is to start now, so the project managers can take their time & do it carefully. rather than wait till we're in dire straits & need it bad. which i guess we are & do, which is why el Rushbo is going on about it.
so i, normally a democratic liberal, actually agree with El Rushbo about something.
plus he was actually condemning windpower because there was a case where an abundance of windpower led to a hydro facility being idled, which hurt some fish. Rush expressed concern about the fish as part of his odd ongoing condemnation of wind power.
I think they're soliciting for freelance renewable energy bashers. if you can deliver some well documented news materials about foibles & glitches with renewable, i think the EIB network (Excellencccce in Broadcasting) might have a job opening for you. _________________ http://www.LASIKdecision.com/ ~ Health Warning about LASIK Eye Surgery
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: Speaker Pelosi says no to more offshore oil drilling
Nah we dont need more drilling, we can just drain the SPR and everything will be ok. Seriously though I am getting frustrated with the democrats on the energy issues, at least the neocons are addressing this issue... in a quite barbaric way(invading Iraq) What exactly are the democrats proposing? Why not a 100 billion dollar proposal for investment into wind farms or solar thermal plants? Why not more money invested into battery technology or mass transit? To me they are falling into the trap of looking like obstructionists. Bush says we need to drill more and ASAP and he is right, we are nowhere near able to transition away from fossil fuels to any large scale right now. Aside from the issue of oil peaking and declining itself... the trade deficit due to oil imports alone is a serious economic problem.
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: Speaker Pelosi says no to more offshore oil drilling
Well, they've got the rope, they've got the built in stupid, they're both shells of humans, and they're both pansies . . .
Why not tie their own noose in anticipation of their own execution. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Speaker Pelosi says no to more offshore oil drilling
pedalling_faster wrote:
since the sometimes Democratic objection to drilling is environmental concerns, and the best way to drill is carefully, i wish someone would point out that is best for the environment is to start now, so the project managers can take their time & do it carefully. rather than wait till we're in dire straits & need it bad. which i guess we are & do, which is why el Rushbo is going on about it.
so i, normally a democratic liberal, actually agree with El Rushbo about something.
plus he was actually condemning windpower because there was a case where an abundance of windpower led to a hydro facility being idled, which hurt some fish. Rush expressed concern about the fish as part of his odd ongoing condemnation of wind power.
Your argument for drilling on environmental grounds, like Rush's argument against wind out of care for the fishes, is specious.
How in the world did you come up with this idea that any project managers drilling sooner would have more luxury, inclination, time, or motivation to "drill carefully?"
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: Speaker Pelosi says no to more offshore oil drilling
I have a question for those who favor offshore and ANWR drilling as a way to decrease our "dependence on foreign oil."
once the oil is extracted, doesn't it belong to the same companies that extract it from anywhere in the world, to be sold on an open, international market? do you think the shareholders of those companies would allow preferential sales terms to US consumers at below market rates? What difference does it make whether the oil is from US or foreign sources once it gets to market?
even the jobs created by these projects have to be so few they would have little effect on the US economy. After all, very little prevents competitive US workers form working on oil projects overseas. likewise, competitive foreign workers may have little trouble working in alaska.
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Speaker Pelosi says no to more offshore oil drilling
aflurry wrote:
heroineworshipper wrote:
Once the cannibalism starts, they'll be saying "you know, offshore drilling was a lot easier than this."
yawn... drill drill drill...
I expected more from peak oilers than to latch onto the fantasy that offshore drilling would do more than delay the zombies by a few weeks. That is, if it could actually be brought online before the zombies started shambling around, which it won't.
In fact, the only purpose of offshore drilling will be to make the "DRILL DRILL DRILL!" folks shut the F up. Then they can move to the next level of grief. _________________ Peak oil is sort of like a mental Everlasting Gobstopper, except it tastes like ass and you can't get it out of your mouth.
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Speaker Pelosi says no to more offshore oil drilling
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In fact, the only purpose of offshore drilling will be to make the "DRILL DRILL DRILL!" folks shut the F up. Then they can move to the next level of grief.
That's how I view it. I'm with Matt Simmons on this issue. As long as we have the collective mentality that the oil "bubble" will soon burst, then we won't do anything about it.
So let's drill like crazy, ban speculators and tax companies like crazy while getting rid of the gas tax. Then when we hit $200/barrel, we can say, with more authority, to the idiots to shut up and get with the program that oil is running out.
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plus he was actually condemning windpower because there was a case where an abundance of windpower led to a hydro facility being idled, which hurt some fish. Rush expressed concern about the fish as part of his odd ongoing condemnation of wind power.
This guy is dumb enough to think that wind-turbines are the same as windmills. _________________ Riches are not from abundance of worldly goods, but from a contented mind.
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