Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:21 pm Post subject: Re: Snappy retorts, laced with love, love, love [family issu
I'm a lousy debater as well and my best arguments of course only come to me after the debate is over.
hope_full wrote:
They responded by saying, "That's not a problem for someone who has $600K to plunk down on a house."
too bad you didn't tell them "The problem is that nobody can afford gas or has $600K to plunk down on a house. That's why its not selling and everyone is moving back to the city centers"
Oh well, I think we all fall into this problem. The only people that don't are probably lawyers (who are professional debtors). You pretty much have two choices now. Continue the debate and gain experience in presenting your arguments (taking a few lumps in the meantime), or give up on the matter and just take care of yourself.
I've made it a point of telling all those that I can Twice. Once to get them thinking, and the second time to give them actual information. After that if they don't want to listen or talk about it, they're on their own. They have been warned. Any lack of preparing now is their own folly.
Ultimately don't have high expectations. To the average Joe, you're pretty much coming out of left field with this information. The media has done a good job of promoting the "technology of tomorrow" for the last 40 years. You have a really big uphill battle ahead of you trying to convince people that not only is "tomorrow" never going to come but that "yesterday" is just around the corner.
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: Snappy retorts, laced with love, love, love [family issu
Hopefull, just view yourself as the "watchman on the wall". Not everyone will heed, but you know in your heart that you did what was the best thing to say and do. Look at Noah-he was cackled at by scoffers for quite awhile during his boat building-but one day the rains came and well, we know the rest of the story.
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:32 am Post subject: Re: Snappy retorts, laced with love, love, love [family issu
My friends and family make me feel like I'm crazy. I tried to talk to my mom, and I said we should start a garden when I come home from Korea. She laughed at me. She also make the following remarks:
"The States has plenty of oil. They have stockpiles of oil they're not even using." When I pointed out that, if that were true, why are the #1 country in the world for imports? She still didn't believe me, and responded with "It won't happen in my lifetime."
My boyfriend is seriously misinformed, and believes that oil will run out in "500 or 600 years," despite what I've told him. Also, English is not his first language so maybe he can't 100% understand me.
And worst of all is my best friend, because she is so much like me in other ways but she is stubborn about Peak Oil. I've told her everything I've learned about it, and she keeps coming up with excuses not to believe me. She says that the government will take care of it, and we can just switch to solar and wind energy. Of course I try to point out that that's not as easy as one might think, but she just ignores me. She also said "I think the government will know about this at least 10 years before it happens." I was flabbergasted, having told her that Peak Oil has been known about for a very long time. My other close friend is talking about buying a car when we go back to Canada, and they both are constantly buying unnecessary things because they are "cute," like umbrellas and lunchboxes from Japan. They refuse to believe that their lives will ever change. I am so frustrated. I find it hard to spend time with them lately because all they want to talk about is shopping and guys, and I want to talk about what is happening in the world, or going to happen. I was perfectly happy to be that way before, but now that I know I can't go back. Sometimes I wish I didn't know.
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: Snappy retorts, laced with love, love, love [family issu
There are many, many ways to "sell" preparations for Peak Oil. Going "OMG ZOMBIE HORDES!!" is probably one of the least effective.
For example, you could introduce a food garden like this:
"Inflation's getting higher, maybe we should grow our own"
"I'm worried about the pesticides they put on vegetables"
"We could reduce our carbon footprint and save money at the same time"
Stockpiling:
"You know, if we bought in bulk it'd be cheaper and we wouldn't have to go shopping as often"
Cycling/reducing car use:
"Petrol's getting expensive"
"We need more exercise anyway"
"Let's reduce our greenhouse gas emissions"
Introducing the concept of peak oil gently can be an issue, but I've had success starting with "well, oil's a finite resource anyway, it's got to run out sometime" and work from there. _________________ Build your soil
Build your skills
Build your community
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: Snappy retorts, laced with love, love, love [family issu
Kfish has a good point as far as approach, sometime you have to enter from their world view. Its almost what I have to do with my kids-the oldest being 11 years old. He sees us putting food up, gardening, visiting pick your own farms, canning, trying to use the scooter more than our diesel F350 pickup truck and kids are not dumb they see what you are doing and ask questions why we are doing things-they need to learn and understand, but approached at a level they can comprehend. I will admit, the hardest thing I had to explain to my kids (and my husband) was my homemade Faraday boxes...
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