Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: Population Control and the 25 points
Well, lets face it folks and cut to the chase, what we're talking about is die off via National Socialism or die off via Communism/Lenenism. i.e. someone has to die, will it be based on income/the poor or will it be based on race/ethnics? Maybe a mixture of both so both right and left can finally agree?
There are twenty five talking points to tweak/discuss:
1. We demand the union of all Germans, on the basis of the right of the self-determination of peoples, to form a Great Germany.
2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in its dealings with other nation, and abolition of the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.
3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the nourishment of our people and for settling our surplus population.
4. None but members of the nation may be citizens of the State. None but those of German blood, whatever their creed, may be members of the nation. No Jew, therefore, may be a member of the nation.
5. Anyone who is not a citizen of the State may live in Germany only as a guest and must be regarded as being subject to the Alien Laws.
6. The right of voting on the leadership and laws of the State is to be enjoyed by the citizens of the State alone. We demand, therefore, that all official positions, of whatever kind, whether in the Reich, the provinces, or the small communities, shall be held by citizens of the State alone. We oppose the corrupt parliamentary custom of filling posts merely with a view to party considerations, and without reference to character or ability.
7. We demand that the State shall make it its first duty to promote the industry and livelihood of the citizens of the State. If it is not possible to nourish the entire population of the State, foreign national (non-citizens of the State) must be excluded from the Reich.
8. All further non-German immigration must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who entered Germany subsequently to August 2, 1914, shall be required forthwith to depart from the Reich.
9. All citizens of the State shall possess equal rights and duties.
10. It must be the first duty of every citizen of the State to perform mental or physical work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the interests of the whole, but must proceed within the framework of the community and must be for the general good.
We Demand Therefore:
11. Abolition of incomes unearned by work. BREAKING OF THE THRALDOM OF INTEREST.
12. In view of the enormous sacrifice of life and property demanded of a nation by every war, personal enrichment through war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand, therefore, the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have (hitherto) been amalgamated (into trusts).
14. We demand that there shall be profit sharing in the great industries.
15. We demand a generous development of provision for old age.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, immediate communalization of the large department stores and their lease at a low rate to small traders, and that the most careful consideration shall be shown to all small traders in purveying to the State, the provinces, or smaller communities.
17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the confiscation without compensation of land for communal purposes, the abolition of interest on land mortgages, and prohibition of all speculation in land. [On April 13, 1928, Adolf Hitler made the following elucidation to the program: "Because of the mendacious interpretations on the part of our opponents of Point 17 of the program of the NSDAP, the following explanation is necessary.: Since the NSDAP is fundamentally based on the principle of private property, it is obvious that the expression "confiscation without compensation" refers merely to the creation of possible legal means of confiscating when necessary, land illegally acquired, or not administered in accordance with the national welfare. It is therefore directed in the first instance against the Jewish companies which speculate in land.]
18. We demand ruthless war upon all those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Sordid criminals against the nation, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.
19. We demand that the Roman law, which serves the materialistic world order, shall be replaced by a German common law.
20. With the aim of opening to every capable and industrious German the possibility of higher education and consequent advancement to leading positions, the State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education. The curriculum of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. Directly the mind begins to develop the schools must aim at teaching the pupil to understand the idea of the State (State sociology). We demand the education of specially gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.
21. The State must apply itself to raising the standard of health in the nation by protecting mothers and infants, prohibiting child labor, and increasing bodily efficiency by legally obligatory gymnastics and sports, and by extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of the young.
22. We demand the abolition of mercenary troops and the formation of a national army.
23. We demand legal warfare against conscious political lies and their dissemination in the press. In order to facilitate the creation of a German national press we demand that: (a) all editors, and their co-workers, of newspapers employing the German language must be members of the nation; (b) special permission from the State shall be necessary before non-German newspapers may appear (these need not necessarily be printed in the German language); ( c ) non-Germans shall be prohibited by law from participating financially in or influencing German newspapers, and the penalty for contravention of the shall be suppression of any such newspaper, and immediate deportation of the non-German involved It must be forbidden to publish newspapers which are damaging to the national welfare. We demand the legal prosecution of all tendencies in art and literature which exert a destructive influence on our national life and the closing of institutions which militate against the above-mentioned requirements.
24. We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the moral and ethical feelings of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession. It combats the Jewish-materialist spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent recovery from within only on the principle: THE COMMON INTEREST BEFORE SELF-INTEREST
25. That all the foregoing requirements may be realized we demand the creation of a strong, central national authority; unconditional authority of the central legislative body over the entire Reich and its organizations in general; and the formation of diets and vocational chambers for the purpose of executing the general laws promulgated by the Reich in the various States of the Confederation. The leaders of the Party swear to proceed regardless of consequences - if necessary at the sacrifice of their lives - toward the fulfillment of the foregoing Points.
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: Population Control and the 25 points
First, are you German and do you actually live in Germany?
Second, why are you posting this on an English language Peak Oil board?
Third, some questions, for the fun of it.
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3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the nourishment of our people and for settling our surplus population.
So you demand land that is not part of Germany? Is that what I'm reading? If so, what do you have your eyes set upon. Just curious because we'll want to know where to send the stinger missles and 20mm cannons.
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4. None but members of the nation may be citizens of the State. None but those of German blood, whatever their creed, may be members of the nation. No Jew, therefore, may be a member of the nation.
Creed:
1: a brief authoritative formula of religious belief
2: a set of fundamental beliefs; also : a guiding principle
So, anyone can be German except Jews? OK, then you need to remove "whatever their creed". Also, how do you define Jew? As I understand it, the Orthidox Jewish people consider you Jewish only if your mother is Jewish. Also, what if someone was Jewish and they converted to Christianity? Finally, is there a percentage of Jew that is acceptable? After all, there are a lot of people who's family line includes a Jew here and there but where precisely may be lost in time.
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8. All further non-German immigration must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who entered Germany subsequently to August 2, 1914, shall be required forthwith to depart from the Reich.
Does this include the decendents? If so, if only on parent or grandparent was an immigrant, does that exclude the children?
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9. All citizens of the State shall possess equal rights and duties.
Including children? Your children will have all of the freedoms, rights and responsibilities? Does this include all domestic chores such as washing dishes and cleaning up or will that still fall upon the women?
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10. It must be the first duty of every citizen of the State to perform mental or physical work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the interests of the whole, but must proceed within the framework of the community and must be for the general good.
What about the sick or infirm? How will they be taken care of or do they just get shipped off to the soylent green factory?
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11. Abolition of incomes unearned by work. BREAKING OF THE THRALDOM OF INTEREST.
Does that include stock trades and capital gains? If someone buys a house on Monday and sells it for a profit on Tuesday, is that illegal? I would very much like to hear the explaination of how your economy will continue if you answer "yes".
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12. In view of the enormous sacrifice of life and property demanded of a nation by every war, personal enrichment through war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand, therefore, the total confiscation of all war profits.
Please define war profits. Is this profits earned by people who create any weapon or only weapons used in non-defensive engagements. If the latter, how will this be handled as typically the weapon used for defense is also capable of being used offensively. If the former, how will your great Reich survive the first pack of rabid boy scouts who come through?
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14. We demand that there shall be profit sharing in the great industries.
Please define great industries. Does this mean size and income or just "really cool" industries?
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15. We demand a generous development of provision for old age.
Please define further. Does this mean a 3,000 square foot (oops, sorry, that would be a 328 sq meter) condo with a live in maid or a 10 sq meter room with a sink and toilet?
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16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, immediate communalization of the large department stores and their lease at a low rate to small traders, and that the most careful consideration shall be shown to all small traders in purveying to the State, the provinces, or smaller communities.
Let me know how that works out for you.
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17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the confiscation... [On April 13, 1928, Adolf Hitler made the following elucidation to the program: "Because ...
The more things change...
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... is therefore directed in the first instance against the Jewish companies which speculate in land.
... the more they stay the same.
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25. That all the foregoing requirements may be realized we demand the creation of a strong, central national authority; unconditional authority of the central legislative body over the entire Reich and its organizations in general; and the formation of diets and vocational chambers for the purpose of executing the general laws promulgated by the Reich in the various States of the Confederation. The leaders of the Party swear to proceed regardless of consequences - if necessary at the sacrifice of their lives - toward the fulfillment of the foregoing Points.
Didn't you already do this once?
I forget, how did that work out? _________________ When somebody makes a statement you don't understand, don't tell him he's crazy. Ask him what he means. -- Otto Harkaman, Space Viking
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: Population Control and the 25 points
Man, if that were passed I'd foresee a tactical nuke right in the center of Germany. Wasn't twice bad enough? _________________ Conservation is conservative
It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the ones most responsive to change. -- Charles Darwin
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: Population Control and the 25 points
You need a big stick before you can go making demands. Fortunately, Germany has been kept content and demilitarized since WW2. I'm of German decent and thus can tell you that I don't worry about towel headed terrorists - they are all just a bunch of screaming idiots. What would be really scary is if Germany were to become Nationalistic and militarized again. Germans can kick some serious butt! They don't play around when they decide they want something. _________________ "That's the problem with mercy, kid... It just ain't professional" - Fast Eddie, The Color of Money
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:59 am Post subject: Re: Population Control and the 25 points
NTBKtrader wrote:
I was being satirical.
I'm glad to hear it. However, may I suggest you study satire a little closer; good satire is readily identified as such by the average reader. The piece you wrote is exactly what I would expect to see from some ill informed Nazi youth. _________________ When somebody makes a statement you don't understand, don't tell him he's crazy. Ask him what he means. -- Otto Harkaman, Space Viking
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:31 am Post subject: Re: Population Control and the 25 points
As I recall, the 25 points were the NSDAP's original 25 points.
As an exercise, one might wish to substitute some term of choice for Germans. Then ask whether the 25 points might work well for a current political candidate. In addition, might they strike a resonant chord during hard times.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:45 am Post subject: Re: Population Control and the 25 points
Jack wrote:
As I recall, the 25 points were the NSDAP's original 25 points.
As an exercise, one might wish to substitute some term of choice for Germans. Then ask whether the 25 points might work well for a current political candidate. In addition, might they strike a resonant chord during hard times.
Seen in this light, the OP can be thought provoking.
Thought provoking? Yes, for anyone who has no concept of history or morality, it would be thought provoking in the sense that you mean. For myself, the only thoughts it provokes are "Can I ridicule them into obsurity?" and "If not, is my scope sighted in for 300 yards?".
I already sat in on a seminar where something along this line was brought of as an example. Germans became the US citizens and the Jews bacame Mexicans. I realized how easy it would be to get people to follow that line of thought if given the right circumstances and the willing accomplices in the press. _________________ When somebody makes a statement you don't understand, don't tell him he's crazy. Ask him what he means. -- Otto Harkaman, Space Viking
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: Population Control and the 25 points
jlw61 wrote:
NTBKtrader wrote:
I was being satirical.
I'm glad to hear it. However, may I suggest you study satire a little closer; good satire is readily identified as such by the average reader. The piece you wrote is exactly what I would expect to see from some ill informed Nazi youth.
eh wrong, when Jonathan Swift wrote "A Modest Proposal" many people actually agreed and proposed going along with it. Satire is meant to eventually expose the end agendas/ideas of people who are hiding behind and/or maneuvering horseshit. imho
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Population Control and the 25 points
Jack wrote:
As I recall, the 25 points were the NSDAP's original 25 points.
As an exercise, one might wish to substitute some term of choice for Germans. Then ask whether the 25 points might work well for a current political candidate. In addition, might they strike a resonant chord during hard times.
Seen in this light, the OP can be thought provoking.
I guarantee you when the hard times hit the fan people will strip the German and race rhetoric out of the points and use it for electioneering like it was something new.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: Population Control and the 25 points
jlw61 wrote:
I realized how easy it would be to get people to follow that line of thought if given the right circumstances and the willing accomplices in the press.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: Re: Population Control and the 25 points
NTBKtrader wrote:
jlw61 wrote:
NTBKtrader wrote:
I was being satirical.
I'm glad to hear it. However, may I suggest you study satire a little closer; good satire is readily identified as such by the average reader. The piece you wrote is exactly what I would expect to see from some ill informed Nazi youth.
eh wrong, when Jonathan Swift wrote "A Modest Proposal" many people actually agreed and proposed going along with it. Satire is meant to eventually expose the end agendas/ideas of people who are hiding behind and/or maneuvering horseshit. imho
Then I simply spoiled your attempt at satire, to which I'm sorry. However, I must continue to insist that it can not be labeled as "good" as it just went over that line of taste. It was too close to the reality of past practices and prompted a response which, I would argue, used a much more readily identified form of satire in response.
IMHO, "good" satire makes a person think about the problem being displayed instead of sickening them and making them want to grab a flame thrower. In A Modest Propsal:
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I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricasie, or a ragoust.
This is obviously satire since the "normal" person would immediately consider this to be utterly ridiculous and beyond the pale. To have anyone condiser the proposal as even remotely possible or a good idea would instantly identify them as very troubled.
However, your 25 Points is just too close to reality and has been, for the most part, tried in one form or another in more than one country.
However, my wife has just read the thread and argues that it elicted a very biting response and therefore did it's job. Since she's always right, I must now humbly beg your pardon and declare your job as well done. _________________ When somebody makes a statement you don't understand, don't tell him he's crazy. Ask him what he means. -- Otto Harkaman, Space Viking
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