Joined: Nov 25, 2006 Posts: 1424 Location: Columbia, South Carolina
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:38 am Post subject: Re: Bird Flu -- stockpile enough for a month..or three..
Whatever goes down I won't be getting the flu (I maintain a strong immune system, good diet, I simply don't get sick unless I subconsciously want to get out of something) and I won't be getting the shot (which doesn't seem to do much except cause side effects anyway).
Keeping a strong immune system is the way to go. Fark hiding. Besides, I'm not convinced "the bird flu" is a real threat anyway.
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:54 am Post subject: Re: Bird Flu -- stockpile enough for a month..or three..
Virus is easy to deal with. High temperatures (about 104) prevent the replication of virus.
Folk wisdom was to bundle up, drink fluids and go to bed. This was the result of experience before modern medicine.
Rabies was supposedly an incurable viral infection, but some country doctors whose experience I have read, cured the incurable by giving 30 minute very hot baths to elevate the patients temperature several times a day. It is dangerous but it works. A hot sauna might do the same thing so long as it elevated one's temperature to the 104 range for a 20-30 minute period of time. This should be followed by bundling up to keep the temperature as high as can be tolerated.
It works. I have done it to myself many times to fend off viral infections. If you are lucky, you might even get a short hallucination from the elevated temperature, but you must be careful and keep someone with you as the hot bath can make you feel faint.
I am not particularly interested in helping some of you aholes, but then I am not against you helping yourselves. If figure there is sort of a natural selection going on here anyway, so take this information for what it is worth to you.
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:18 am Post subject: Re: Bird Flu -- stockpile enough for a month..or three..
Narz wrote:
Whatever goes down I won't be getting the flu (I maintain a strong immune system, good diet, I simply don't get sick unless I subconsciously want to get out of something) and I won't be getting the shot (which doesn't seem to do much except cause side effects anyway).
Keeping a strong immune system is the way to go. Fark hiding. Besides, I'm not convinced "the bird flu" is a real threat anyway.
The only "preperation" I'll be taking if the "bird flu" gets out is to make and eat an extra lot of kim-chi.
I thought the problem with bird flu was that it over-stimulated the immune system (hence the large proportion of healthy young people dying).
Joined: May 20, 2008 Posts: 305 Location: Tennessee
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: Planning for the avian flu pandemic.
Tamiflu is recommended-it does have to be started within the first 48 hours-but here's something to think about; if there's an outbreak is there enough Tamiflu? Its kinda the same question I have in my mind about bioterrorist attack with smallpox-is there enough vaccine on hand? I am already having people ask me for scripts for Tamiflu, including my staff.
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: Planning for the avian flu pandemic.
But isn't the story old? It was in the news at least 3 years ago, they panicked really, but not much happened.
Basic hygiene and good eating habits as well as sufficient movement makes your body strong and healthy.
If really birds carry a virus, it will be on the fruits you eat on lettuce on the soil everywhere. Fruits bats who take a nibble at that mango.
You would really have to confine your chickens (a mesh on the top).
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: Planning for the avian flu pandemic.
I recently read Cody Lundin's book "When All Hell Breaks Loose: Stuff You Need to Survive When Disaster Strikes". There was a mention in the book of a worst case flu outbreak scenario and potential FEMA plans of having everyone quarantined in their homes for up to a 3 month period. Can anyone confirm this, or point me to a reference for it on the web? Thanks...
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: Planning for the avian flu pandemic.
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Since there will be no time period during the pandemic in which it will be completely safe to expose yourself to others, the only sure-fire way to prevent infection will be to isolate your family in your home and wait it out
Good luck to you folks that think the cities are the best place to be for when TSHTF. _________________ There will come a day when we would have wished to do a little evil for a greater good.
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: Planning for the avian flu pandemic.
When I first read it in todays news I didn't think about it but since this thread has been resurrected I will pass on this from the Independent.
The Independent wrote:
The world is failing to guard against the inevitable spread of a devastating flu pandemic which could kill 50 million people and wreak massive disruption around the globe, the Government has warned.
In evidence to a House of Lords committee, ministers said that early warning systems for spotting emerging diseases were "poorly co-ordinated" and lacked "vision" and "clarity". They said that more needed to be done to improve detection and surveillance for potential pandemics and called for urgent improvement in rapid-response strategies.
The Government's evidence appeared in a highly critical report from the Lords Intergovernmental Organisations Committee, which attacked the World Health Organisation (WHO) as "dysfunctional" and criticised the international response to the threat of an outbreak of disease which could sweep across the globe.
The Government said: "While there has not been a pandemic since 1968, another one is inevitable." Ministers said it would could kill between two and 50 million people worldwide and that such an outbreak would leave up to 75,000 people dead in Britain and cause "massive" disruption.
I don't know 50 million doesn't seem like that many. I wonder if the models are based on previous pandemics... some parts of the world are a lot more densely populated in the last 40 years.
I have no idea if that is a factor or not... I took one (hard) science class in college and during post-graduate work. It was biology... but I think I was the only person who didn't play basketball or football.
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: Planning for the avian flu pandemic.
mystiek wrote:
Tamiflu is recommended-it does have to be started within the first 48 hours-but here's something to think about; if there's an outbreak is there enough Tamiflu? Its kinda the same question I have in my mind about bioterrorist attack with smallpox-is there enough vaccine on hand? I am already having people ask me for scripts for Tamiflu, including my staff.
Well, my dr won't give me an rx. Says I have to get sick first, then call. How stupid. Call the morgue maybe. _________________ HOLDING THE CENTER
Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 5395 Location: Oklahoma
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: Planning for the avian flu pandemic.
Pandemic preps were among the first my family did when we began to comprehend the global situation. I think it's prudent to be prepared for such an event, all things considered. Masks, goggles, gloves, powdered bleach, Tamiflu if possible, elderberry extract (I made my own, we've used it and it works great), enough food and water to "bug in" to your own home for a few months if needed. Things like that. _________________ "Every junkie's like a setting sun..." - Neil Young
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:50 am Post subject: Re: Planning for the avian flu pandemic.
well if you really think that there is something (I have to investivgate further) I'll buy some eucalypt oil and some tea tree oil (the first is a good stain remover anyway)
Joined: Apr 12, 2007 Posts: 1167 Location: Central NC
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:58 am Post subject: Re: Planning for the avian flu pandemic.
A pandemic is expected to come in waves and last up to two years.
To quote the Head of New Jersey Homeland Security: "You won't be going to work, you will be in your homes for a year trying to stay alive." _________________ "The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close. In its place we are entering a period of consequences…"
Sir Winston Churchill
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:45 am Post subject: Re: Planning for the avian flu pandemic.
Homesteader wrote:
A pandemic is expected to come in waves and last up to two years.
To quote the Head of New Jersey Homeland Security: "You won't be going to work, you will be in your homes for a year trying to stay alive."
In context was that homeland security guy being serious (you should be prepared to stay in your home for a year) or taking a dig at those people planning on trying to hold up in their home?
I mean... if they want to put the whole economic system (minus food and defense I suppose) on hold for 12-24 months that would be fine with me... I could get a lot done!
Joined: Oct 16, 2004 Posts: 1416 Location: Appalachian Foothills of Virginia
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:33 am Post subject: Re: Planning for the avian flu pandemic.
If the attack and mortality rate approaches or exceeds the 1918 flu pandemic, people will be staying home out of overwhelming concern for their family. The Bush Administration was trying to change this mindset by talking about 'distancing' at work, washing hands, and coughing in a socially acceptable manner, none of which would be widespread enough to do much to slow the spread (e.g., it only takes one person in a lobby/elevator/floor forgetting to cover their mouth). Now that it looks like a pandemic won't happen during Bush's tenure, they're admitting that people will most likely feel the need to stay home. Touching elevator buttons, opening doors, knobs on faucets, the coffee mess, and so forth would be viewed as the possible touch of death. Building ventilation systems recycle air from room to room, so viral-loaded aerosols from people coughing would be spread throughout the building.
And absenteeism will likely be close to 50% anyway at homes with school children as one parent at a minimum would have to stay. And if another parent works, would they even be allowed in the same area of the house, given that they might become infected, spreading the virus asymptomatically the first few days before they become aware they are infected?
In recognition of this, Chertoff recently said;
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But you would have to start dealing with the issue of absenteeism. People either not showing up to work because they're sick, or because they're afraid of getting sick, or because they're afraid that the place they're working doesn't have a plan to make sure they don't get sick, or because the schools are closed and there's nobody to take care of the kids at home, so they're not going to go to work.
And when people don't show up to work, all of a sudden, the power plants aren't running unless you have a plan in place to deal with that on an emergency basis. The food isn't getting delivered to the grocery store. That doesn't matter, though, because no one is around to open the grocery store.
So now the problems begin to cascade and ripple throughout society and potentially can magnify the damage of the underlying attack because of the collateral effects on our ability to eat, turn on the lights, get to work and deal with all the other issues which allow society to function in a well-ordered way.
In addition to the cascading collateral effects of this kind of a medical disaster is the fact that it's not going to come with a bang, it's going to come with a whisper. And, in fact, it may be very challenging to detect when it first begins. It can be hours or days before we realize the full extent of an incident. And, on top of that, depending on whether it is a natural event or a manmade event, our modeling ability with respect to analyzing the course of the epidemic or pandemic will be profoundly effected, because we have built a series of public health models based on the idea that we know how ordinary diseases spread and how they circulate among populations.
But if someone is moving around the country with an aerosol tank, spraying it all over different places, that's going to be a very different model. And therefore, one of the things you learn very quickly is, making some preliminary judgments with some basis in fact about whether you're dealing with a manmade or a natural attack has a critical impact on the subsequent course of how you deal with it.
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