"My fellow Americans," Bush said, "at long last, we have reached the end of the dark period in American history that will come to be known as the Clinton Era, eight long years characterized by unprecedented economic expansion, a sharp decrease in crime, and sustained peace overseas. The time has come to put all of that behind us."
Granted, it was an easy call to make, but they got the details uncannily correct.
Future historians are going to reduce this administration to a lump of charcoal. We can only imagine what they'll be saying about this bunch. _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: The Onion said BushCo would be disastrous in 2001
I think future historians will recall that 9/11 was the biggest attack on american soil. Then point out of the fact is was done not by a country but by a people.
If attacked, its easy to bomb a country (ie Japan) but it is impossible to bomb a people (ie Insurgents living in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc...).
Bush was dealt several bad hands that had nothing to do with him or his office. The 9/11 attacks, housing collapse/credit crisis, high oil prices, and high food prices. None of those could have been prevented by Bush & Co. and none of those was created by Bush & Co.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: The Onion said BushCo would be disastrous in 2001
Quote:
"We as a people must stand united, banding together to tear this nation in two," Bush said. "Much work lies ahead of us: The gap between the rich and the poor may be wide, be there's much more widening left to do. We must squander our nation's hard-won budget surplus on tax breaks for the wealthiest 15 percent. And, on the foreign front, we must find an enemy and defeat it."
_________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: The Onion said BushCo would be disastrous in 2001
joeltrout wrote:
I think future historians will recall that 9/11 was the biggest attack on american soil. Then point out of the fact is was done not by a country but by a people.
If attacked, its easy to bomb a country (ie Japan) but it is impossible to bomb a people (ie Insurgents living in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc...).
Bush was dealt several bad hands that had nothing to do with him or his office. The 9/11 attacks, housing collapse/credit crisis, high oil prices, and high food prices. None of those could have been prevented by Bush & Co. and none of those was created by Bush & Co.
joeltrout
I am not an US american so I believe what is right to believe, the truth, 9/11 was an inside job. Everybody knows that.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: The Onion said BushCo would be disastrous in 2001
joeltrout wrote:
I think future historians will recall that 9/11 was the biggest attack on american soil.
You don't think the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 rate just a little above the destruction of four planes and three buildings? Admittedly, existential threats that predate television are less spectacular than terrorist attacks that we could watch using Internet Explorer, but... forgive me for suggesting that anyone with a sense of history prior to the senior prom just might be forced to take issue with your point.
joeltrout wrote:
If attacked, its easy to bomb a country (ie Japan) but it is impossible to bomb a people (ie Insurgents living in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc...).
And particularly heinous, vicious and cowardly to do so since they weren't responsible for it... not that that mattered much...
joeltrout wrote:
Bush was dealt several bad hands that had nothing to do with him or his office. The 9/11 attacks, housing collapse/credit crisis, high oil prices, and high food prices. None of those could have been prevented by Bush & Co. and none of those was created by Bush & Co.
How about the series of Republican tax cuts that converted Clinton's budget surplus into a $700 billion a year deficit that has beggared the United States and left it incapable of dealing with those crises, and the result of which has been to blithely inflate the volume of US currency in the world such that the US dollar is on the verge of losing its status as the world's reserve currency and all the seignorage advantages that accrue to that status? How about starting two wars of choice that are now each longer than the US involvement in World War II, with no end in sight, and the huge expense in money, material, and human misery they represent -- not to mention the colossal loss of prestige and diplomatic pull they've cost the United States? Bush responsible for any of that, do you suppose? If you're going to kiss Bush's ass, you better make sure you don't have to wipe it first. _________________ I can has cheezburger?
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: The Onion said BushCo would be disastrous in 2001
I knew it was only a matter of time. Can we pleeeeeeeeeeease, please, please stop the 9/11 LIHOP/MIHOP/conspiracy, Bush praising/bashing, etc. in this thread? Stick to the topic or post it elsewhere. This thread is about how the lampoon of the Onion has turned out in the minds of some as being very accurate and ironic. Whether you agree or disagree is not really relevant -- there are many topics already active with virtually every facet of 9/11, the economy, policies, etc.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: The Onion said BushCo would be disastrous in 2001
jdumars wrote:
I knew it was only a matter of time. Can we pleeeeeeeeeeease, please, please stop the 9/11 LIHOP/MIHOP/conspiracy, Bush praising/bashing, etc. in this thread? Stick to the topic or post it elsewhere. This thread is about how the lampoon of the Onion has turned out in the minds of some as being very accurate and ironic. Whether you agree or disagree is not really relevant -- there are many topics already active with virtually every facet of 9/11, the economy, policies, etc.
Do I get my honorary moderator's designation?
429 post...umm...you're kinda new round here, ain't ya? Calm down and enjoy the spectacle. _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate!
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: The Onion said BushCo would be disastrous in 2001
jdumars wrote:
This thread is about how the lampoon of the Onion has turned out in the minds of some as being very accurate and ironic. Whether you agree or disagree is not really relevant
If our opinions aren't relevant, then why are we posting them here all the time?
I come to peakoil.com to read people's opinions (okay, but perhaps not so much about this topic). I think a lot of people do. But that's just my irrelevant opinion!
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: The Onion said BushCo would be disastrous in 2001
I make up for quantity with quality.
Your opinions matter, but in relevant threads. Any mention of 9/11 always turns into a conspiracy/truther vs. offical story argument. If someone defends Bush, someone inevitably comes on and bashes him. The premise of this thread has nothing to do with either of those things, while other threads have those issues as the crux. If every thread (regardless of its subject matter) devolves into an argument about the same things, this site loses its underlying power and relevance. I'm not saying people shouldn't argue/disagree, but it should be done in the context of a topic that has as its premise something that can be empirically proven or disproved - or at least discussed on merits other than baseless emotionalism. If arguments about Peak Oil, political events, etc. are made without some underlying current of experiential credibility then no one will take it seriously. And, what is even more ironic about all of this is that the thread elucidates how satire can sometimes point to the truth in a much more accurate way than the news or media that purport to be the truth. The Onion has no interest in supporting their argument with facts. They are simply concerned with capturing the ironic zeitgeist of a particular issue and turning into a humorous caricature. In doing so, they are free to make stinging, sometimes unspeakable observations about things without any need for vindication. It's the same with the Colbert Report and the Daily Show.
Anyway, argue away. But we'll miss a great opportunity to discuss how satire can be a powerful predictor, agent of change, and voice for inchoate ideals searching for realization -- not to mention just damned funny. _________________ Dismantle globally, renew locally!
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: The Onion said BushCo would be disastrous in 2001
That would have been a funny article if in hindsight it weren't so... well, you know. We all know.
joeltrout wrote:
Bush was dealt several bad hands that had nothing to do with him or his office.
I disagree, emphatically. Bush was dealt a remarkably good hand. 9/11 turned W into one of the most politically powerful presidents in our history and allowed him to pursue without opposition every deranged item on his agenda - international, environmental, social or otherwise - as frightened and patriotic citizens understandably but unfortunately pulled together in unquestioning support of their leadership. Before 9/11 he was already a political joke of a president, practically a lame duck in his first year, and if that tragic day had never happened he'd have been tossed out on his sorry ass in 2004 as he should have been. _________________ "If a path to the better there be, it begins with a full look at the worst." — Thomas Hardy
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: The Onion said BushCo would be disastrous in 2001
coyote wrote:
That would have been a funny article if in hindsight it weren't so... well, you know. We all know.
joeltrout wrote:
Bush was dealt several bad hands that had nothing to do with him or his office.
I disagree, emphatically. Bush was dealt a remarkably good hand. 9/11 turned W into one of the most politically powerful presidents in our history and allowed him to pursue without opposition every deranged item on his agenda - international, environmental, social or otherwise - as frightened and patriotic citizens understandably but unfortunately pulled together in unquestioning support of their leadership. Before 9/11 he was already a political joke of a president, practically a lame duck in his first year, and if that tragic day had never happened he'd have been tossed out on his sorry ass in 2004 as he should have been.
I guess its a matter of how you believe 9/11 was carried out.... I dont know, I can see it happening either way... _________________ Tired of high gas prices? Then stop driving to work, duh..... Learn to Work from home
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