Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: Death, how do you feel about it?
Ludi wrote:
threadbear wrote:
It couldn't have come from my head.
That's exactly how I feel about the skeleton people. It was nothing I had ever seen or thought about, and there they were, totally real. But I was so frightened, I covered my face after a moment, and when I looked up they were gone. If I ever have another such experience, I hope I have the presence of mind you had, to really examine the object.
When I talk about the spiritual body I am not talking about subtle material bodies, or ghosts. If one is sinful sometimes for awhile they do not get a gross physical body but are trapped in a ghost body for some time. Especially if they die intoxicated or commit suicide.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:54 am Post subject: Re: Death, how do you feel about it?
This is an interesting discussion.
I wasn't able to find an adequate choice from the list, because while I don't think life sucks, I actually do look forward to death.
It happened in 1997 that I had a surgery, and went under general anesthesia. It wasn't the first time I went under or the last, but this particular time I awoke with a start, realizing I was back here, in the human realm. And I was angry. I felt cheated, because I had been truly free, had escaped temporarily the bonds of this body. It was the most wonderful, liberating thing I have ever experienced, and it has never left me. I recognized what I had done, both good and bad, and what I had not yet done, and lamented not doing. But despite those feelings, it was still ok. Everything was just fine and just as it was supposed to be.
I'm sure many would write it off as the effects of drugs, and no doubt I was quite drugged. But I have done many drugs and nothing has ever come remotely in the same galaxy as this experience.
The only description I have come up with to explain my experience is along the lines of what threadbear suggested earlier: that who we are is not limited to our bodies, that the causal circuits that we are part of is bigger than us, and that when we can see beyond this particular body, this limited domain, there is an infinity of interrelationships and interdependencies, and we are each a part of that. That is an awesome power, and not one to be feared. In fact, for me it is what I consider god, or creator, or the great spirit. These are all words trying to express the inexpressible: that we are truly one.
So I do not fear death at all. To the contrary I am looking forward to it. At the same time, I have a belief that I'm here to do something. I'm not quite sure what that is, but I have done some things I felt were important in the time between then and now.
And like Ludi, when my time comes I want to experience that transition, to be fully present in the passing from one world to the next. The next time I will be paying more attention...
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Death, how do you feel about it?
It is inevitable, but I'd like to put it off as long as possible. Other than that, I'm surprisingly ambivalent.
My own death, that is--I couldn't care less about my own. The death of my children is another matter. Well, let's just say the good Lord better take me first. Losing them would be a fate worse than death.
Kind of like the old man in The Road my children are my impetus for being and carrying on anyway. They bring joy to my life I didn't have prior to their arrival and they supply the sole reason for continuing. Beyond them, I don't have much meaning.
Some folks don't like that kind of thinking, I respect that, but it honestly sums up who I am and what I think. Like it, or lump it
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Death, how do you feel about it?
hope_full wrote:
Quote:
anybody seen that video about a brain doctor who has a stroke and could have died?
everybody I mention it too has seen it.
she made dying, having a stroke seem very pleasant.
I went to youtube and searched but found nothing. Could you provide a link?
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Death, how do you feel about it?
In the early 90's an FDA approved study has been conducted at the University of New Mexico in Albuquerque whereby a brain transmitter substance was focused upon that is emanated in the pinneal gland during the 49th day after conception and then again in high amounts during the death process.
During the live of a human being small amounts of this substance are released every night and might well be the pivotal catalyst to induce dreams.
The abuse starts when self declared members of random religious institutions declare to have an understanding about these processes.
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject: Death
Any contributitons in regards to this particular subject matter?
It is extremely positive that we all die. Remember the nuisence business model of selling the idea of a frozen body to wealthy individuals in the hope to be back unfrozen in the certain techno future...
Death is healthy, death is good, and most important death is not black magic but a function after all.
What is a function?
Sort of what one could call a program (interchangable)
A fly is nothing but a program.
An insect, a dog , human beings, programs after all.
We all are programs, so far the primary definition.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: Death
Hey, Albente. How are things in Europe? Is your boy happy? How about your wife? I got the impression that she was trying to manipulate and control you with her rage and anger. Pretty lady, I only got that impression from what you posted. _________________ Turn those Machines back On! - Don Ameche in Trading Places
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Death
Hey PMS, great to hear from you,
My 'beloved' has her issues living on the European countyside for sure. After ten year of marriage it does not matter much where you live after all anyhow.
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: Death, how do you feel about it?
albente wrote:
In the early 90's an FDA approved study has been conducted at the University of New Mexico in Albuquerque whereby a brain transmitter substance was focused upon that is emanated in the pinneal gland during the 49th day after conception and then again in high amounts during the death process.
During the live of a human being small amounts of this substance are released every night and might well be the pivotal catalyst to induce dreams.
The abuse starts when self declared members of random religious institutions declare to have an understanding about these processes.
Sounds like DMT. Yep I believe it's plays an important role in our dreams (having done experimentation with the pure form of this drug when I was younger). _________________ Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destory health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality.
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:00 am Post subject: Re: Death
albente wrote:
Any contributitons in regards to this particular subject matter?
It is extremely positive that we all die. Remember the nuisence business model of selling the idea of a frozen body to wealthy individuals in the hope to be back unfrozen in the certain techno future...
Death is healthy, death is good, and most important death is not black magic but a function after all.
What is a function?
Sort of what one could call a program (interchangable)
A fly is nothing but a program.
An insect, a dog , human beings, programs after all.
We all are programs, so far the primary definition.
I'm actually looking forward to being dead. It will be great to finally get some rest after going through this pain in the ass known as life. It's not death that scares me, it's everday life that scares me. It's repetitive, dull, painful and stressful... death will be a nice change of pace.
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