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Nicholai
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:16 am    Post subject: 400 billion barrels in the Arctic! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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A U.S.-based company that has controversially laid claim to nearly all of the Arctic Ocean's undersea oil said Thursday that new geological data suggests a "potentially vast" petroleum resource of 400 billion barrels.

There hasn't been a single formal test for oil or natural gas in the Arctic and the optimists are already hooting and hollering. It seems you don't need an ounce of credibility or reason for the optimist camp to get excited these days...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:19 am    Post subject: Re: 400 billion barrels in the Arctic, Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

This is setting the stage for future military problems with Russia, who has already made the same claim, and is, as noted in another thread, currently training troops in the Artic.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:26 am    Post subject: Re: 400 billion barrels in the Arctic! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: 400 billion barrels in the Arctic! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Nicholai wrote:
There hasn't been a single formal test for oil or natural gas in the Arctic and the optimists are already hooting and hollering. It seems you don't need an ounce of credibility or reason for the optimist camp to get excited these days...

yes, what BS. And even if they find oil, there's no way of drilling, as the ice will crush any offshore installations. Ok, maybe they can drill for one month a year in the near future, but then they'd have to tow the whole installation back to Halifax for the remainder of the year, so it's not gonna happen.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:51 am    Post subject: Re: 400 billion barrels in the Arctic! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It is time for some innovation. Underwater drilling rigs and pipelines to ice free regions (e.g. Barents Sea).

The original poster is right the 400 billion figure is BS. And even it were true it is only 13 years worth of world consumption.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:20 am    Post subject: Re: 400 billion barrels in the Arctic! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Remember the 200 billion figure for the Caspian Region? Then when they actually did the drilling, it was reduced to 50 billion. Unless they are counting on reserve growth and extensions for the other 150 bln. This stuff is starting to get really laughable anyway. Reminds me of the 300 trillion barrels that were "discovered" on the moon by the Enquirer.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: 400 billion barrels in the Arctic! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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The original poster is right the 400 billion figure is BS. And even it were true it is only 13 years worth of world consumption.

I know, it's a mere 50 trillion dollars worth of oil.
Laugh about the wild speculation, if you want. Say that the oil can't currently be reached, sure. But to say that it's only thirteen years worth of total world consumption...well, that just makes you look silly and detracts from the legitimate argument to be made.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:58 am    Post subject: Re: 400 billion barrels in the Arctic! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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And even if they find oil, there's no way of drilling, as the ice will crush any offshore installations.


AGW... They are anticipating a permanently ice free Arctic Ocean.

That said, no company is going to be able to enforce such a claim, legal or not. The US and Russia in "consultation" with other Arctic nations will decide the how, who, and when of any such drilling.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:26 am    Post subject: Re: 400 billion barrels in the Arctic! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

KingM wrote:
dissident wrote:
The original poster is right the 400 billion figure is BS. And even it were true it is only 13 years worth of world consumption.
I know, it's a mere 50 trillion dollars worth of oil. Laugh about the wild speculation, if you want. Say that the oil can't currently be reached, sure. But to say that it's only thirteen years worth of total world consumption...well, that just makes you look silly and detracts from the legitimate argument to be made.

I agree.. that argument is a red herring (although mathematically true). Announcements like !400 Billion Barrels Found! make the public think - hey, we can keep driving our F-650 triple crew cab conversion truck for another 13 years... - when, in fact the quantity of oil in place is irrelevant. What matters is how much can you get to market in a day? If it's only 500,000 bpd it isn't going to make a dent.

Personally, I don't see that quantity of oil being in the Arctic. If you look at the plate tectonics going all the way back to the days of Pangea, you'll see there has never been a land mass near the north pole, ergo no shallow, warm waters for the formation of kerogen. North Sea oil formed during the days of hotter weather when the british isles and scandinavia formed something of an archipelago there. The arctic has no such geological history; the territory of Canada has moved northward into that space. Most oil in the arctic circle will be from Russia's shelf, and of course that sort of makes it theirs.

Not to mention the public outcry that's going to be made when Santa Claus and his elves get displaced. I don't know if the Russians will do some sort of ethnic cleansing, or try to relocate them to Israel... maybe they'll just move their offices to Bermuda, and outsource all the toymaking to the Chinese.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:32 pm    Post subject: Re: 400 billion barrels in the Arctic! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

alecifel wrote:
Canada has moved northward into that space. Most oil in the arctic circle will be from Russia's shelf, and of course that sort of makes it theirs.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:08 pm    Post subject: Re: 400 billion barrels in the Arctic! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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There hasn't been a single formal test for oil or natural gas in the Arctic and the optimists are already hooting and hollering. It seems you don't need an ounce of credibility or reason for the optimist camp to get excited these days...

What?? So you don't equate the Beaufort Sea, Barents Sea and offshore Timmon Pechora as being Arctic? Amaligak was discovered by Gulf Canada and it's consortium back in eighties (>300 MMB). There are a number of discoveries offshore in the Barents including the >100 TCF Schokmanyskoye field. PanArctic oils drilled nearly 200 wells in the Arctic during the 70's and 80's and made a number of gas discoveries including Drake Point. Gulf's consortia drilled a number of wells during their Arctic campaign, Kopanoar, QuakQuak, Mukluk to name a few.
The hydrocarbon system is proven, what's held them back is high costs, access and up until recently low oil and gas prices. The shallow water areas which have stretches of ice free access have already seen some exploration. The technology is there to drill even in the deep water portions of the Arctic, it is just the extremely high cost of doing so that will stall this for many years to come.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:06 pm    Post subject: Re: 400 billion barrels in the Arctic! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Let's suppose 400 billion is there. You actually think you (i.e. your tribe) is going to get all of it, KingM?

Oil on this planet is not randomly distributed but occurs a few locations with the right geology. The Beaufort and North Slope of Alaska have been explored enough to show that there is no 400 billion there. The Canadian Arctic Islands are clearly not swimming on oil. So you are left with the deep water shelf extensions to the North Pole. Game over for the 400 billion dream since this is not shallow North Sea, Beaufort, Alaskan shelf or Barents Sea territory which lies only a few hundred meters below the surface. It is ten times deeper. The chances of finding anything at these depths is poor. The frenzy around Arctic oil is delusional, after all why not simply move out into deeper waters from existing shallow water oil fields? Why is there more oil at 4 km beneath the surface in the Arctic than anywhere else at this depth where sedimentary rocks occur?

The only promising prospects in the Arctic are on the shallow part of the Russian shelf and it is most likely to be natural gas fields. The Barents Sea has yielded gas fields, Timan-Pechora has yielded a few small oil fields. Most of the shelf has not been explored.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:11 pm    Post subject: Re: 400 billion barrels in the Arctic! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

AgentR wrote:
Bas wrote:
And even if they find oil, there's no way of drilling, as the ice will crush any offshore installations.


AGW... They are anticipating a permanently ice free Arctic Ocean.



I thought I was pretty well up to dat on the AGW discussion, and as fast as it is progressing, I think that a permanently ice free arctic ocean will be at least decades away; if it melts off completely next summer or the summer after that, it will still take years and years and lots of sun energy to warm the enormous mass of water to a temperature where it won't freeze in the long winter. Remember, a ten degree C rise in temperature will still leave you with a -40 C winter instead of -50 C.

IOW, before we have an arctic sea that's icefree in the winter, we'll have such catastrophic climate change the world over, there won't be enough people and/or functioning societies to want or be able to drill for oil in the arctic. So be careful what you wish for.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:42 pm    Post subject: Re: 400 billion barrels in the Arctic! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

USGS article



From the USGS estimates (regardless of how accurate they are) it is clear that the prospects for deep oil in the Arctic are small, just like everywhere else. The above map shows that all the action is in the Russian sector and puts the propaganda about "Russian Arctic oil grab" into perspective. The only ones doing any oil grabbing are NATO member oil addicts.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:33 pm    Post subject: Re: 400 billion barrels in the Arctic! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

As one poster stated,
"I can know buy my F-750 double cab dually lifted, big tires and all.
I am so happy all that cheap gas and oil will soon arrive to my nearby Sunoco station" hahahahahaha
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