Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: California plans to slash state workers' pay to minimum
Jawboning. That's all.
He won't do it. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Joined: May 06, 2006 Posts: 873 Location: Tustin, CA
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: California plans to slash state workers' pay to minimum
Hogan wrote:
[Almost all California state workers' pay will be cut to $6.55 per hour?! This is really bad. I am guessing many of those state workers affected currently earn at least $11-$15 per hour.
Oh please! Let’s get real! Where I live? Orange County, California? These people are making anywhere from $20 to $30 an hour. But what’s really killing this state are their retirement benefits. Better than the U.S. Military.
I know a CPA from a service organization I belong to who stated a number of times if he had it to do over again, he’d be a California Fireman. Done many of their taxes. Go on disability retirement 90% tax free!
I know a retired California School Principal (who I can’t stand) from the same organization who retired at 50 as he’s bragged numerous times, “because” he made as much money retired as he did working!
Put California workers on $6 an hour, PLEASE!! This is another stunt by an incompetent Hollywood cartoon character, Arnold, who still pronounces the state’s name like he’s trying to say the vegetable Cauliflower. The State Employees will get rid of him like they did the last Governor Gray Davis with a ballot initiative; or maybe save the time and just hang him for real, not in effigy.
At least the other Hollywood Governor (Reagan) balanced the budget each year!
But you point out one of many reasons I will be leaving the Golden State when I retire soon, and I actually love some things about it. _________________ Skeptical scrutiny in both Science and Religion is the means by which deep thoughts are winnowed from deep nonsense-Carl Sagan
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: California plans to slash state workers' pay to minimum
Hogan wrote:
California governor plans to slash state workers' pay to minimum wage
Quote:
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger plans next week to slash the pay of more than 200,000 state workers to the federal minimum of $6.55 per hour to help ease the state's budget crisis, according to a draft executive order obtained by The Chronicle on Wednesday.
The governor also will order an end to overtime pay for all but critical services, a freeze on state hiring and the immediate layoff of nearly 22,000 temporary, seasonal and student workers.
Quote:
But administration officials, who asked to remain anonymous, said that about 200,000 of the state's 245,000 workers, both hourly and salaried, will see their pay trimmed back to the federal minimum wage of $6.55 an hour, saving the state up to $1.2 billion a month.
Almost all California state workers' pay might be cut to $6.55 per hour?! This is really bad. I am guessing the majority of those state workers affected currently earn at least $11-$15 per hour.
Typical elitist Hollycrat move. Let them eat cake!
How about we cut the pay for the Governor and Legislators by 60% or so. That would help too. How about we up the copay for same?
Joined: May 06, 2006 Posts: 873 Location: Tustin, CA
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: California plans to slash state workers' pay to minimum
Hogan wrote:
How about we cut the pay for the Governor and Legislators by 60% or so. That would help too. How about we up the copay for same?
Actual point of fact is under state law; they don’t get paid anything if the state budget is not ratified by July 1st. You’d think that would help. It doesn’t. _________________ Skeptical scrutiny in both Science and Religion is the means by which deep thoughts are winnowed from deep nonsense-Carl Sagan
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: California plans to slash state workers' pay to minimum
SILENTTODD wrote:
Hogan wrote:
How about we cut the pay for the Governor and Legislators by 60% or so. That would help too. How about we up the copay for same?
Actual point of fact is under state law; they don’t get paid anything if the state budget is not ratified by July 1st. You’d think that would help. It doesn’t.
I see an add where we have Arnold squatting with his pants down (side view) and a thought bubble over his head that says 'I feel a budget cut coming on.' Then just under his well developed glutes are a bunch of workers ducking under their umbrellas and hard hats.
Spread that one around with a title that says 'The Turdminator strikes again!'
Joined: May 06, 2006 Posts: 873 Location: Tustin, CA
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: California plans to slash state workers' pay to minimum
alokin wrote:
I read this elsewhere. how will these workers will be able to support their families even with a moderate lifestyle, you won't get around.
Don't worry about California workers (unless you are one!). They will do just about better than anyone else up to the last! _________________ Skeptical scrutiny in both Science and Religion is the means by which deep thoughts are winnowed from deep nonsense-Carl Sagan
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:49 am Post subject: Re: California plans to slash state workers' pay to minimum
On the one hand, this is not as bad as it seems:
Quote:
State workers chanted Thursday outside the Capitol to assail Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's plans to pay 200,000 state employees the federal minimum wage until a budget is signed, providing some of the most compelling budget-related scenes of angry Californians this year. (emphasis mine)
More Quote:
State workers would receive their back pay in full once a budget is signed.
On the other hand, the loudness of the state employees' protest, given the above, seems to speak to the paycheck-to-paycheck nature of most of their lives, in that even a short-term disruption to their finances seems to be considered a major threat. That's the part I'd worry about...
I used to work for the Federal Government, and one time in the early-mid 90s, Congress delayed passing the budget long enough that we were all "furloughed" -- all non-emergency federal employees were sent home for an unknown time, without pay, until the budget was passed. We did not know how long it would take, nor did we know if we would be reimbursed once the budget was signed. I remember some people, especially the lower-paid folks, being understandably anxious, but no one cried foul or protested (at least where I was -- don't remember hearing about any protests in Washington DC, but who knows). It ended up lasting 3 weeks, and we did ultimately get paid for that time once the new budget was passed. _________________ "... among the ways available in which a man can die, it is a rare and signal distinction to be killed by a leopard."
Joined: Jun 30, 2005 Posts: 759 Location: northern California
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:15 am Post subject: Re: California plans to slash state workers' pay to minimum
Auntie_Cipation wrote:
On the one hand, this is not as bad as it seems:
Quote:
State workers chanted Thursday outside the Capitol to assail Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's plans to pay 200,000 state employees the federal minimum wage until a budget is signed, providing some of the most compelling budget-related scenes of angry Californians this year. (emphasis mine)
More Quote:
State workers would receive their back pay in full once a budget is signed.
Good detective work there, Auntie. The original poster might have researched this a bit more. The difference between this pay cut and the one you described back in the 1990s is that this one may possibly never be fully reimbursed, and by next year's budget, the OP may indeed be reality. _________________ "When men yield up the privilege of thinking, the last shadow of liberty quits the horizon."
Thomas Paine
Joined: Sep 25, 2004 Posts: 4715 Location: Boston, MA
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:04 am Post subject: Re: California plans to slash state workers' pay to minimum
California's bloated state workforce and the insane tax burden necessary to fund them, is killing that state.
Silicon Valley is DEAD. What was the last major tech IPO to come out of there? Google?
The housing boom is OVER. California ranks number 3 in foreclosures per capita and could easily overtake Nevada and Arizona when those subprime and Alt-A mortgages reset this fall.
The state is being overrun by extremely poor non-taxing paying illegal immigrants while the native highly educated workforce is moving to greener pastures. The total population of the state will keep increasing but the dependent/worker ratio will continue to get worse.
If California can't wake up and smell the fiscal reality, they're f_cked and they will have no one to blame but themselves.
_________________ "www.peakoil.com is the Myspace of the Apocalypse."
Joined: Aug 03, 2007 Posts: 4532 Location: Boston Suburbs
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: California plans to slash state workers' pay to minimum
Exactly. It's easy to just pile onto Arnold over this, but he is just using this as a lever to try to get a budget passed. _________________ As long as I am around, there are no worries we have reached "Peak Words"
Joined: Sep 16, 2004 Posts: 4900 Location: Southwest WI
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: California plans to slash state workers' pay to minimum
Silenttodd-
Its no different here in Wisconsin. Police officers here in the city can retire at 50 and get full retirement (as long as they have their 25+ years) and FULL benefits. Its unbelievable. And yes...they can make more money retired then working. Its set up to discourage people from staying. They actually got bigger raises then working officers last year! _________________ Clothing should be optional.
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: California plans to slash state workers' pay to minimum
Tyler_JC wrote:
California's bloated state workforce and the insane tax burden necessary to fund them, is killing that state.
Silicon Valley is DEAD. What was the last major tech IPO to come out of there? Google?
good thing I don't live there anymore.
Tyler_JC wrote:
The state is being overrun by extremely poor non-taxing paying illegal immigrants while the native highly educated workforce is moving to greener pastures. The total population of the state will keep increasing but the dependent/worker ratio will continue to get worse.
Immigration is the elephant in the room.
There's a lot of people who feel it's a problem or at the very least something worthy of discussion and debate.
Unfortunately most are afraid to open their mouth because who wants to be tagged as a racist conservative extremist???
Pat Buchanan got in trouble for mentioning immigration and well look at where he is now? ---> The man is still alive writing articles for a magazine but for all practical purposes he's politically non-existent.
//
IMHO
One of the greatest lies in the immigration debate is that we cannot patrol our own borders because it's just too big. --> Bull Sh!t
There are plenty of countries on this planet that do not have a giant revolving door that spins 24/7 yet they spend less than half as much per GDP as we do on "security".
Considering we maintain over 100 military bases across the 4 corners of the globe and have the capability to fight a war on the other side of the planet, making the argument that America does not have the logistical capability to send manpower to it's own backyard / border is an argument of extreme absurdity.
It is a lack of political will. Plain and simple.
I don't expect this issue to be given any serious time in today's political climate.
Joined: Nov 01, 2005 Posts: 846 Location: Euro high horse bastard on the run
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:23 am Post subject: Re: California plans to slash state workers' pay to minimum
"..paycheck to paycheck people.." - Arnold has another priorities like subsidize the Tesla Motors (he bought their supersport roadster as well) to build their assembly base in Calif. instead of New Mexico where the tax payer already burned few $m to lurke them previously.
"..imigrants.." - without the flow of immigrants there would be no agriculture, large part of trucking and construction related jobs in Calif. and elsewhere in the U.S. _________________ DOOMerotron: at all-time high [8.1] out of 10..
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