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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:36 am Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Poultry (was Backyard Chickens)
burton,
sounds like a fun weekend! You're off to a good start with the chickens - unless of course you captured someone's pet and they come looking for it!
Yes, about six months old is when hens start laying. Could be a month either way, though, so don't be disappointed if it takes a couple more weeks. And also, because the days are getting shorter, don't expect her to be in full production mode until spring. They usually slack off some during the fall and winter.
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:48 am Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Poultry (was Backyard Chickens)
CarlinsDarlin wrote:
burton, sounds like a fun weekend! You're off to a good start with the chickens - unless of course you captured someone's pet and they come looking for it!
Yes, about six months old is when hens start laying. Could be a month either way, though, so don't be disappointed if it takes a couple more weeks. And also, because the days are getting shorter, don't expect her to be in full production mode until spring. They usually slack off some during the fall and winter.
Good luck!
Kathy
Yea that is what I have been hearing.... I will be moving the rabbits into the shed during the cold parts of the year, which the chickens have access to. I want to put a heat lamp in the shed during the winter.
When should I have the light turned on? my big reason for the heat lamp in the shed was to keep the rabbit water bottles from freezing at night and give them a little extra heat, though I doubt they really need it. If I keep the light on all night will it negatively affect the chickens laying? _________________ Tired of high gas prices? Then stop driving to work, duh..... Learn to Work from home
Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:28 am Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Poultry (was Backyard Chickens)
burton,
What I do for my rabbits in the winter is to take out their water bottles and replace them with bowls of water. They still freeze, but not as fast, and are easier to switch out everyday. The heat lamp will help, I'm sure. And the rabbits will love you for it. Just be careful you don't burn the place down with chickens being able to get in there. They love to roost on stretched out power cords and such.
I have my lights for the henhouse on a timer. Generally, I wait till a bit later in the fall before the lights start coming on. I have them timed to come on about 7:00 pm for a couple hours, and again at about 5:00 am for a couple hours. That effectively stretches the day out to help keep production up. And yes, keeping the lights on all night will help keep them laying, but it will also run up your power bill and increase your food bill. If they're up, they're eating. A timer does the work for you without running up either bill.
Kathy
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:36 am Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Poultry (was Backyard Chickens)
I have kept several flocks of chickens and am modestly knowledgeable about it. However, my chicken coop and fenced chicken yard have stood empty for several years now.
I enjoyed the fun of having chickens around, but gradually the fun wore off and I got tired of those daily chores, on top of all my other work. I'm sensitive to things that intrude on my freedom, and livestock do that big-time.
When I add up the cost of building the coop, fencing the yard, and buying the equipment, the feed, the litter, the crushed oyster shells, and the chicks, those were the most expensive eggs I ever ate. Plus my labor---time is money.
And cleaning out a chicken coop is one of the nastiest jobs there is. That awful dust! There is no end to it.
Perhaps I'll have chickens again someday, but with certain clear misgivings. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Poultry (was Backyard Chickens)
Here are the facts:
1. Have about 30 full grown hens in our flock
2. Have 2 full grown roosters
3. Have about 20 hatchlings ... about 3 weeks old now ... in brooder coop.
4. Want to round up all the hens & lock them in the bigger coop for 10-14 days ... too many of them have been laying here and there around the place this summer. (Obviously free range). Want to get them back into the habit of being in the coop, and laying there.
Here are the questions:
1. Is it safe to put the youngsters in with the hens, or will they get pecked to death?
2. Perhaps we could put them in there, but in a cage of their own? (We have one, but they would be crowded after any more than 10 days, I think.)
3. Will our roosters go crazy (crazier) without the hens out for that long?
Thoughts, please ..
Thanks
Lumpy _________________ "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Poultry (was Backyard Chickens)
I have to agree with Ludi. The little ones can be seriously hurt or killed if they can't get away from the bigger birds. One thing you might consider is to give the babies a place of escape. Set up a part of the house that is just theirs, or a "pen-inside-a-pen" with a door only big enough for the little ones to enter. My brother is raising some roosters for the freezer and also has larger hens. What he has done is to have them in one house but with two runs. The run for the little ones has a door that only they can go through (too small for the big hens to get into). The little ones stay on that side most of the time to avoid the hens. When the hens go to roost at night, though, (before dark), the little ones will go to their run as well, and clean up any feed the hens left. It's worked pretty well so far.
I will say, though, that the babies were much older than 3 weeks before they were put together. They were fully feathered. For little ones as young as yours I wouldn't advise it. Not until they're older, anyway.
K
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Poultry (was Backyard Chickens)
I've mixed young flocks with older ones at least 3 times now. Each time, I did it when the young ones were about half grown (by size - sorry I can't recall how old they were). I have not had problems. Though there was a little pecking for the first few days while they established who was in charge, there were no serious injuries or deaths. They did have plenty of room, but not an escape place.
While I can't say how old they were, they were definitely much older than 3 weeks. About half grown, as I said.
In fact, we will be doing this again in a while - I just got another batch of peeps this morning!
I kept most of my roosters in a separate pen from the hens, because the hens would get harassed until they were half bald otherwise. The roosters didn't like it too much, but they were okay.
What we did last year was keep the brooder coop directly adjacent to the main pen, so the birds could see each other all the time. I think that helps some when you do mix them eventually. _________________ "Every junkie's like a setting sun..." - Neil Young
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:56 pm Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Poultry (was Backyard Chickens)
I have often mixed them at 1/3rd grown and the only problem I have is that when they are that little they have a better success rate at escaping the area I try to keep them confined to. Once everyone knows who is in charge and once the young ones are considered part of the flock they have been fine... I would guess that they are about 8 weeks old when I put them together.
Sometimes what I do is I have a wire cage in the coop and keep the younger one's in that cage. All the chickens get to see one another and get a little use to one another but I have to feed and water the locked up chickens seperately which can be a pain.
Good luck, keep us posted. _________________ “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.”
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:49 am Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Poultry (was Backyard Chickens)
All of my chickens were killed. I had them in two chicken tractors. Thursday morning when I went to move them one of the tractors had been invaded by something that killed all the chickens (Broke their necks). Only one was partially eaten.
So I made sure the other tractor was staked down for the night. To no avail, some how the animal got in and killed the rest. My guess is raccoons, though I have not seen any on the property.
What really bugs me is they did not eat the birds, just killed them. I'll miss the rooster waking me up in the morning. Guess I'll have to eat those anemic store bought eggs this winter.
I am going to give up on the tractor idea, and replace it with a large coop and electric mesh fence.
Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:16 am Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Poultry (was Backyard Chickens)
I would suspect the culprit was either a mink or a weasle. Bite in the neck drink blood, kill more than needed, small animal particularly the weased could gain access with a very small opening.
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:22 am Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Poultry (was Backyard Chickens)
Sorry about the loss hoss.
Sounds like raccoons to me... maybe possum.
If we were closer I'd donate a couple of birds to the flock rebuild. _________________ “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.”
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:38 am Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Poultry (was Backyard Chickens)
careinke wrote:
What really bugs me is they did not eat the birds, just killed them.
I'm really sorry to hear that. That has happened to us as well. You really can't do the tractor thing unless you have a guard animal with them at all times, is my experience. They are just too vulnerable at night, since they are practically comatose. We learned the hard way.
Not sure a raccoon or possum would have killed all of them like that. What were the remains of the partly eaten one like, if you care to discuss it? _________________ "Every junkie's like a setting sun..." - Neil Young
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