Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Joined: Mar 18, 2008 Posts: 467 Location: Upstate New York
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:33 am Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
joelcolorado wrote:
You know, a .22 long rifle hollow point will stop a human cold. And you could have 50 blocks of bullets so cheap with 500 bullets each.
I have a 357 S&W too. Shot lots of animals with .22 tho and ppl not near as tough. Shot a wounded deer one time to put it down and it dropped like a rock. Shot placement of course is everything.
True but that fuzzy little deer is not shooting back or coming at you with a knife. Stopping power is a personal preference. Can a .22 stop someone.. Yes. Can a .45 stop someone from coming at you when you only hit them in the leg.. maybe but a helluva a lot better than a .22. Sometimes you don't have time to place the "perfect" shot while under fire/stress.
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6625 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
Hooray! I just successfully stripped down and cleaned my Taurus PT-92 AF pistol. I've owned this pistol for about a year, but haven't fired it much (maybe 200 rounds) because I wasn't sure if I was going to keep it, because I wasn't sure how to disassemble it, because the manual's illustrations and instructions regarding this process are almost incomprehensible. I was scared I wouldn't be able to put it back together again. Isn't that ridiculous?
I'm no gun expert at all, but it seems to me there's no point owning a gun you can't strip down.
So this evening I got up the gumption and and figured it out (very carefully, repeating the actions over and over in a stepwise fashion), cleaned it, and got back together. Everything "clicked." Whatta feeling.
The funny thing is it's not difficult at all.
Now I know it's a keeper. Next step: Buy small-of-back holster for this model sold by Galco Gunleather (thanks to Spe_Cop and Expat for the great suggestion for holster type).
I hope you gun experts think a Taurus pistol is worth spending $100 on a holster for it. I know it's not a top-of-the-line handgun, but I like the way this model fits my hand, and it does what it's supposed to when I pull the trigger. So far, anyway. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Joined: Feb 09, 2006 Posts: 417 Location: Venezuela
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
Heineken wrote:
Hooray! I just successfully stripped down and cleaned my Taurus PT-92 AF pistol. I've owned this pistol for about a year, but haven't fired it much (maybe 200 rounds) because I wasn't sure if I was going to keep it, because I wasn't sure how to disassemble it, because the manual's illustrations and instructions regarding this process are almost incomprehensible. I was scared I wouldn't be able to put it back together again. Isn't that ridiculous?
I'm no gun expert at all, but it seems to me there's no point owning a gun you can't strip down.
So this evening I got up the gumption and and figured it out (very carefully, repeating the actions over and over in a stepwise fashion), cleaned it, and got back together. Everything "clicked." Whatta feeling.
The funny thing is it's not difficult at all.
Now I know it's a keeper. Next step: Buy small-of-back holster for this model sold by Galco Gunleather (thanks to Spe_Cop and Expat for the great suggestion for holster type).
I hope you gun experts think a Taurus pistol is worth spending $100 on a holster for it. I know it's not a top-of-the-line handgun, but I like the way this model fits my hand, and it does what it's supposed to when I pull the trigger. So far, anyway.
Taurus makes some damed fine products. I've never been disatisfied with anything with their label.
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6625 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
Wow, that's quite an endorsement, Cudabachi. Thanks!
I don't know whether I'll buy another gun. Along with the Taurus, I have a 25-year-old Winchester 30-30 94 AE rifle in excellent working condition. Some have criticized the action of this rifle as "delicate" (and not as robust as, say, that of the comparable Marlin rifle), but I've never had any problem with it (not that I've shot it a huge amount).
I've always wanted a S&W revolver, so if I buy another gun it might be one of those. Or maybe a better rifle with a scope.
Well, I just ordered the holster. $100+ out the window. From now on when I'm out working on my two country places, I walk armed. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Joined: Feb 09, 2006 Posts: 417 Location: Venezuela
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
Heineken wrote:
Wow, that's quite an endorsement, Cudabachi. Thanks!
I don't know whether I'll buy another gun. Along with the Taurus, I have a 25-year-old Winchester 30-30 94 AE rifle in excellent working condition. Some have criticized the action of this rifle as "delicate" (and not as robust as, say, that of the comparable Marlin rifle), but I've never had any problem with it (not that I've shot it a huge amount).
I've always wanted a S&W revolver, so if I buy another gun it might be one of those. Or maybe a better rifle with a scope.
Well, I just ordered the holster. $100+ out the window. From now on when I'm out working on my two country places, I walk armed.
Well, as you might guess, here in Venezuela, I walk armed all the time. I'm permitted to carry a Baretta 9mm and a .38 caliber Taurus revolver.
I've bought a couple of Taurus semi-autos but haven't yet gotten the permits for them. It's a costly and time-consuming procedure so I'll probably wait another year or so on them.
Joined: Jun 30, 2005 Posts: 769 Location: northern California
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
Heineken wrote:
I don't know whether I'll buy another gun. Along with the Taurus...
I've always wanted a S&W revolver, so if I buy another gun it might be one of those.
Heineken, why bother?
"In 1968, the company was ready to venture into the U.S. market. This was accomplished by employing the services of a succession of U.S. distributors over the next several years. Their efforts met with only marginal success.
In the meantime, Smith & Wesson had been purchased by a conglomerate named Bangor Punta. In 1970, Bangor Punta also purchased 54% of Taurus. Thus, the two companies became "sisters". Smith & Wesson never owned Taurus. They were both independent companies. However, during the next seven years, a great deal of technology and methodology was passed between the two. What may come as a surprise to some is that more of what was "right" in Porto Alegre was sent to Springfield than was sent from Springfield to south of the equator."
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
Hi Heineken, the Taurus PT-92 AF is a fine pistol and it has very good reviews (see here and here ) is reliable, sturdy and diggest almost any ammo. I had a Taurus PT945 some years ago that I sold, (sob) and never had any failure with it.
If you are considering buying another one, I would suggest pick up one that you really like, and buy 2, so you can use another one for spares, if you need to. I have 2 Brownings HiPower that I purchased recently with that in mind. _________________ Stocking up on popcorn
Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:26 am Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
My ARIES night vision rifle scope came in last night. The rail mount is coming from another supplier. It should be in next week. Playing with the scope in total darkness, it worked as advertised.
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6625 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:21 am Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
dunewalker wrote:
Heineken wrote:
I don't know whether I'll buy another gun. Along with the Taurus, I've always wanted a S&W revolver, so if I buy another gun it might be one of those
Heineken, why bother?
"In 1968, the company was ready to venture into the U.S. market. This was accomplished by employing the services of a succession of U.S. distributors over the next several years. Their efforts met with only marginal success.
In the meantime, Smith & Wesson had been purchased by a conglomerate named Bangor Punta. In 1970, Bangor Punta also purchased 54% of Taurus. Thus, the two companies became "sisters". Smith & Wesson never owned Taurus. They were both independent companies. However, during the next seven years, a great deal of technology and methodology was passed between the two. What may come as a surprise to some is that more of what was "right" in Porto Alegre was sent to Springfield than was sent from Springfield to south of the equator."
That's interesting. Sad to hear that S&W is, presumably, no longer a US company! What do we have left here that's our own? Just bits and pieces. The criminals responsible for this need to be hung by their scrofulous scrota.
I had seen the Taurus PT 92 dismissed as a Beretta "knockoff," but if it's made on the same equipment in the same way by the same personnel (or their descendant apprentices), how does it differ from a Beretta? Maybe not at all. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6625 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:58 am Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
eXpat wrote:
Hi Heineken, the Taurus PT-92 AF is a fine pistol and it has very good reviews (see here and here ) is reliable, sturdy and diggest almost any ammo. I had a Taurus PT945 some years ago that I sold, (sob) and never had any failure with it. If you are considering buying another one, I would suggest pick up one that you really like, and buy 2, so you can use another one for spares, if you need to. I have 2 Brownings HiPower that I purchased recently with that in mind.
Thanks for the links, friend eXpat. I read them both. Didn't understand all of it, but I got good vibes. And I learned more.
Originally I was going to buy a Glock, but the local gun-store owner steered me toward this gun.
I'm just glad I can now take it apart and put it back together. It was terribly frustrating to me that I wasn't sure how to go about this, with the fear that I couldn't reassemble it.
I also disassembled and cleaned the magazine---just about killed me getting it apart. It took all my strength, and I have strong hands. Maybe this is typical of magazines, or maybe at least of new ones.
I still can't completely fill the magazine (I think it accepts 17 rounds), but it's loosened up a bit since I first bought the gun. I can push 13 or 14 in there. Good enough. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:13 am Post subject: Re: [Shelter] Defense (THE gun thread)
Cloud9 wrote:
My ARIES night vision rifle scope came in last night. The rail mount is coming from another supplier. It should be in next week. Playing with the scope in total darkness, it worked as advertised.
Where did you buy it from? _________________ "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the
Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
Ammo at a gunfight is like bubblegum in grade school: If you havent brought enough for everyone, you're in trouble
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