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roccman
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 Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: Palestinian detainee shot by Israeli police - vid |
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A little over a minute...
Here is a write up about it...
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Hmmmm...I am sure the zionist pigs were just defending themselves in this particular situation.
Never have I seen a more defined call for self defense then what I saw in this vid...oh and 47 story buildings just drop out of the clear blue sky.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: Palestinian detainee shot by Israeli police - vid |
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http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1036875/Investigation-begins-Israeli-soldier-shot-blindfolded-Palestinian-rubber-bullet.html?ITO=1490
The difference is that if Israelis sawed people's heads off with bread knives they would be investigated and punished. They would not be celebrated in the streets. And they would not have their picture in a calendar. There would be no streets named after them and they would be treated as traitors by their own people.
Is that the equivocation you were looking for?
If I am not mistaken it was an Israeli rights group that brought the whole thing to the world's attention. Where is the Palestinian rights group asking for the release of Gilad Shalit by Hamas? All you ever hear on that front is silence. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:16 am Post subject: Re: Palestinian detainee shot by Israeli police - vid |
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"I want to tell you something very clear. Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America and the Americans know it."
- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, October 2001 |
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Viper
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:24 am Post subject: Re: Palestinian detainee shot by Israeli police - vid |
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| toast wrote: | "I want to tell you something very clear. Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America and the Americans know it."
- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, October 2001 |
The article that you're quoting (or at least their source atricle) also made the incredibly credible statment:
| Quote: | | Look at U.S. television: One minute, you see pro-Israeli ads saying the Arabs are all dogs... |
I watch TV here in the US and I must be missing those ads somehow.
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=8&x_nameinnews=108&x_article=34 |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: Palestinian detainee shot by Israeli police - vid |
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| Viper wrote: | http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1036875/Investigation-begins-Israeli-soldier-shot-blindfolded-Palestinian-rubber-bullet.html?ITO=1490
The difference is that if Israelis sawed people's heads off with bread knives they would be investigated and punished. They would not be celebrated in the streets. And they would not have their picture in a calendar. There would be no streets named after them and they would be treated as traitors by their own people.
Is that the equivocation you were looking for?
If I am not mistaken it was an Israeli rights group that brought the whole thing to the world's attention. Where is the Palestinian rights group asking for the release of Gilad Shalit by Hamas? All you ever hear on that front is silence. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: Palestinian detainee shot by Israeli police - vid |
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| Viper wrote: | | The difference is that if Israelis sawed people's heads off with bread knives they would be investigated and punished. They would not be celebrated in the streets. |
That's RIGHT. They're not savages using bread knives! They only celebrate when they bulldoze homes in Gaza with old people in them or blow up apartment buildings full of innocent people in Lebanon, like civilized Yankees would. No equivocation there.
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Dreamtwister
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: Palestinian detainee shot by Israeli police - vid |
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| Viper wrote: | | The difference is that if Israelis sawed people's heads off with bread knives they would be investigated and punished. |
LOL By whom?
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject: Re: Palestinian detainee shot by Israeli police - vid |
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They would be arrested and punished by the Israeli court system.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/07/13/africa/ME-Israel-Palestinians.php
Israel has laws and it follows them as much as any other nation does. (Insert argument about International Law here, but we're not talking about that...)
A people prove their worthiness to call themselves a nation state by concentrating all legal power to do violence in their government. Anything else is the very definition of barbarism. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:36 am Post subject: Re: Palestinian detainee shot by Israeli police - vid |
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| Viper wrote: | | (Insert argument about International Law here, but we're not talking about that...) |
In English: "Don't bother me with the inconvenient hypocrisies inherent in my position."
Okay, how about just plain murdering innocent non-combatants? What about not destroying relatives and their property in revenge for the acts of others (you know, one of those things we put people in the dock at Nuremberg for doing)? I imagine those are illegal under Israeli law, and if they're not... why not?
| Viper wrote: | | A people prove their worthiness to call themselves a nation state by concentrating all legal power to do violence in their government. |
So what would you call them, then, before 1948, when they were attacking the established state of Palestine, whose concentrated legal power to do violence was in the hands of the British people murdered in the King David Hotel?
"Oh, they'd be freedom fighters! But you can't apply that term to the Palestinians in the current circumstances."
"Why not?"
"Because we don't like them right now and there aren't any votes in it."
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: Palestinian detainee shot by Israeli police - vid |
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| Viper wrote: |
A people prove their worthiness to call themselves a nation state by concentrating all legal power to do violence in their government. Anything else is the very definition of barbarism. |
There are plenty of anarchists here who would disagree with you (not that I'm one of them).
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: Palestinian detainee shot by Israeli police - vid |
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| I find it quite funny how the world cries "human rights violation" when Israel (or any civilized people) shoots some brown savage, but when the brown savages kill each other, no one gives a crap. Take your double standards and stick them up your ass. |
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Nickel
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: Palestinian detainee shot by Israeli police - vid |
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| kam3Oen wrote: | | I find it quite funny how the world cries "human rights violation" when Israel (or any civilized people) shoots some brown savage, but when the brown savages kill each other, no one gives a crap. Take your double standards and stick them up your ass. |
Uh huh. Okay, folks, hands up anyone who remembers the UN trying to do something about the civil war in Rwanda, and the US sabotaging the whole thing.
Stick THAT double standard up your ass. 
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kam3Oen
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: Palestinian detainee shot by Israeli police - vid |
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| Quote: | | Uh huh. Okay, folks, hands up anyone who remembers the UN trying to do something about the civil war in Rwanda, and the US sabotaging the whole thing. |
Yup, the US govt are the bad guys, and not the crazy savages running around killing each other.  |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: Palestinian detainee shot by Israeli police - vid |
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| kam3Oen wrote: | | Quote: | | Uh huh. Okay, folks, hands up anyone who remembers the UN trying to do something about the civil war in Rwanda, and the US sabotaging the whole thing. |
Yup, the US govt are the bad guys, and not the crazy savages running around killing each other. |
I don't think anybody is saying that the Hutu weren't responsible but that doesn't wipe the blood of the hands of the people who actively prevented the attempts to stop the genocide. Can there not be more than one group of bad guys?
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Nickel
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:30 am Post subject: Re: Palestinian detainee shot by Israeli police - vid |
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| kam3Oen wrote: | | Yup, the US govt are the bad guys, and not the crazy savages running around killing each other. |
Hold on. You're basically saying liberals are hypocrites because they're not, in your estimation, critical of violence and torture when it occurs within Arab spheres -- implying liberals are thus complicit. To characterize it in your obnoxious manner, "brown savages". But when I point out that liberals are hardly alone in that, you switch tracks, letting the US government (and by extension, people like yourself) off the hook and shift the blame to the combatants alone.
So which is it? Do people have an obligation to get condemn and act, or not? You can't have it both ways.
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