Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: New Barn Question.
Kpeav - great ideas! Thanks. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: New Barn Question.
Cashmere wrote:
This is what I'm imagining, given the land I'm on . . .
Sketch Linky
Is a cement floor bad or preferred?
I've seen a million barns more or less, designed like your sketch, (having grown up in PA), the front is typically used to store tractors, equipment etc., and affords quick access/egress. What you will need is an elevator to load the hay into the hay loft from the rear (the highest point). If you have other buildings for such equipment then ...nevermind
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: New Barn Question.
Gothor wrote:
Cashmere wrote:
This is what I'm imagining, given the land I'm on . . .
Sketch Linky
Is a cement floor bad or preferred?
I've seen a million barns more or less, designed like your sketch, (having grown up in PA), the front is typically used to store tractors, equipment etc., and affords quick access/egress. What you will need is an elevator to load the hay into the hay loft from the rear (the highest point). If you have other buildings for such equipment then ...nevermind
Um, maybe I'm missing something, but the intent of the design is to be able to back the hay wagon right up to the top floor and then unload the hay horizontally onto the loft floor.
Anybody? Did I miss something? _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:28 pm Post subject: Re: New Barn Question.
Cashmere wrote:
Gothor wrote:
Cashmere wrote:
This is what I'm imagining, given the land I'm on . . .
Sketch Linky
Is a cement floor bad or preferred?
I've seen a million barns more or less, designed like your sketch, (having grown up in PA), the front is typically used to store tractors, equipment etc., and affords quick access/egress. What you will need is an elevator to load the hay into the hay loft from the rear (the highest point). If you have other buildings for such equipment then ...nevermind
Um, maybe I'm missing something, but the intent of the design is to be able to back the hay wagon right up to the top floor and then unload the hay horizontally onto the loft floor.
Anybody? Did I miss something?
No...dude, I get your intention. However have you thought far enough ahead? Dump and Pump isn't always practicle. Do you have other areas set aside for all this equipment that will be required for harvesting this 'crap load of hay;? It's a practicle issuse.
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:36 pm Post subject: Re: New Barn Question.
Dude, you don't need a barn. I harvest Bouteloua/Buchloe hay for my tortoise herd (seriously) & I store it in an old fashioned haystack. You only think you want to build a barn cuz you've been indoctrinated to believe that you ought to be accomplishing something "useful." Demolish barns instead, & bust up the old wood for firewood. Liberate the carbon. That's our function as entropic apes. Haven't you been paying attention?
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: New Barn Question.
darwinsdog wrote:
Dude, you don't need a barn. I harvest Bouteloua/Buchloe hay for my tortoise herd (seriously) & I store it in an old fashioned haystack. You only think you want to build a barn cuz you've been indoctrinated to believe that you ought to be accomplishing something "useful." Demolish barns instead, & bust up the old wood for firewood. Liberate the carbon. That's our function as entropic apes. Haven't you been paying attention?
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:13 am Post subject: Re: New Barn Question.
I'd put the long way of the barn along the hillside, that is, a long wall of the basement being exposed, which minimizes excavation. Ideal would be having the exposed basement wall face south for winter warmth. Also, put an overhang on the exposed side, and rain gutters, to keep the exposed side dry, since that is where the livestock go in and out. Make sure that side is well drained to prevent a muddy mess at the livestock entrance. Wonder how I know about that, huh? Yup, a lot of experience comes from bad judgement....... _________________ Local fix-it guy..
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: Re: New Barn Question.
Our horse stalls had hemlock plank for floors, fancy horse bans around here have clay bottoms in the box stalls with straw bedding on top, I get the impression that a horse standing on concrete round the clock is a bad thing. Remember they sleep standing up most of the time.
Manure handleing is somthing you should give a lot of thought to before you settle on a final design. A cow makes a bushel each and every day she is in the barn. Without power to run a gutter cleaner how are you going to get eight bushel a day to the compost pile/ methane digester. After the milking machine the chain link gutter cleaner is the best labor saving device ever invented.
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:33 am Post subject: Re: New Barn Question.
Chasemere , Here is an idea to consider. Build your barn with a hipped Gambrell style roof with the angles selected to maximize solar collection and site the barn so the southerly half of the roof is at the right angle for your latitude. Then cover part of the roof with PV pannels to power things in the barn.
And make a part of the roof over the cow stable into a green house by using glass or fiberglass roof panels. The body heat rising from the cows and their manure would make the green house self heating except for the dead of winter. Three insulated walls would be all you need. Using foam rigid insulation inside the block walls of the stable would maximize the heat that rises to your green house. Just be sure to provide adaquate venting of the stable.30 inch dia. fans are common. The acces to the green house should be stairs to the stable that way every time you open the door heat goes in not out and you can pile hay right up around all three walls in the loft.
Just a thought you might like to toy with.
W.
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:46 am Post subject: Re: New Barn Question.
Folks might have mentioned this already, but be careful when siting your animal structures to allow for proper drainage, as these areas can easily become an horrific swamp during wet weather (or spring thaw) if they don't drain well.
And speaking of "well" - make sure your paddocks don't drain into your well. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
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