Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Joined: Sep 03, 2005 Posts: 75 Location: Germany, State M-V
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:10 am Post subject: Re: AIDS and PO
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Dumbass.
Hohoho, a nice, shiny person is writing here!
To lessen your fears a bit with respect to vaccinations:
Did you know that a lot of elder people, children and people weakened by a long period of hunger very likely will die in a flu epidemic?
Now, during and especially at the end of WW I a lot of people in Central Europe, especially in Germany and the Netherlands were malnourished. And i think the same situation occured in other parts of the world. So the virus of the Spanish flu hadn't to be very aggressive to kill a lot of people.
Funny that this information is not very wide spread.
That's just a little bit of common sense, nothing to do with conspiracy.
In the USA information policy with regard to public health is far better than for example in Germany. There exists a special website describing complications belonging to vaccinations:
In Germany exists nothing like that, at least of what i know.
And if you by chance know a person who has AIDS, there is a far cheaper medicine with similar side effects and health warnings on it and therefore should also be of some help:
Drain cleaner
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: AIDS and PO
Jupidu wrote:
Quote:
Dumbass.
Hohoho, a nice, shiny person is writing here!
To lessen your fears a bit with respect to vaccinations:
Did you know that a lot of elder people, children and people weakened by a long period of hunger very likely will die in a flu epidemic?
Now, during and especially at the end of WW I a lot of people in Central Europe, especially in Germany and the Netherlands were malnourished. And i think the same situation occured in other parts of the world. So the virus of the Spanish flu hadn't to be very aggressive to kill a lot of people.
The spanish flu killed predominatly healthy, well nourished young adults because it triggered cytokine storms.
Quote:
Funny that this information is not very wide spread.
That's just a little bit of common sense, nothing to do with conspiracy.
Havn't the slightest idea what you're going on about.
Quote:
And if you by chance know a person who has AIDS, there is a far cheaper medicine with similar side effects and health warnings on it and therefore should also be of some help:
Drain cleaner
You can submit your paper to the NIH. I dont think it will be taken seriously. A better resource would be:
Which has kept HIV count in a friend of mine low and him healthy for years. Instead I'll walk up to him and say 'Hey, actually you should inject drain cleaner, its a lot cheaper and will keep your viral load just as low.' Oh right, you dont believe HIV causes aids, I forgot.
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: AIDS and PO
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The spanish flu killed predominatly healthy, well nourished young adults because it triggered cytokine storms.
This is correct. Flu doesn't do this, it takes out the old and weak. The young and healthy were dying because they were receiving vaccinations, probably live viruses.
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“Army records also reveal that after vaccination became compulsory in the U.S. Army in 1911, not only did typhoid increase rapidly but all other vaccinal diseases increased at an alarming rate. After America entered the war in 1917, the death rate from typhoid vaccination rose to the highest point in the history of the U.S. Army. The deaths occurred after the shots were given in sanitary American hospitals and well-supervised army camps in France, where sanitation had been practiced for years.
“The report of the Surgeon-General of the U.S. Army shows that during 1917 there were admitted into the army hospitals 19,608 men suffering from anti-typhoid inoculation and vaccinia. This takes no account of those whose vaccine diseases were attributed to other causes.
“The army doctors knew all these cases of disease and death were due to vaccination and were honest enough to admit it in their medical reports. When army doctors tried to suppress the symptoms of typhoid with a stronger vaccine, it caused a worse form of typhoid: Paratyphoid. But when they concocted an even stronger vaccine to suppress that one, they created an even worse disease: Spanish flu.”
As several other sources confirm, it was this newly-concocted typhoid vaccine, as well as several other vaccines, that were mass disseminated to allegedly protect a “panic-stricken” world from the disease-infected soldiers returning from WWI battlefields that triggered the 1918 flu pandemic.
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Following is an excerpt from Eleanor McBean’s eyewitness account as memorialized in Chapter Two of her book, “Vaccination Condemned”: All the doctors and people who were living at the time of the 1918 Spanish Influenza epidemic say it was the most terrible disease the world has ever had. Strong men, hale and hearty one day would be dead the next.
The disease had the characteristics of the black death added to typhoid, diphtheria, pneumonia, smallpox, paralysis and all the diseases the people had been vaccinated with immediately following World War I. Practically the entire population had been injected “seeded” with a dozen or more diseases - or toxic serums. When all those doctor-made diseases started breaking out all at once it was tragic. That pandemic dragged on for two years, kept alive with the addition of more poison drugs administered by the doctors who tried to suppress the symptoms. As far as I could find out, the flu hit only the vaccinated. Those who had refused the shots escaped the flu. My family had refused all the vaccinations so we remained well all the time. We knew from the health teachings of Graham, Trail, Tilden and others, that people cannot contaminate the body with poisons without causing disease.
Joined: Nov 24, 2007 Posts: 140 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: AIDS and PO
So your point is that 90 years ago, doctors didn't know much about vaccines and diseases and how to appropriately treat people, so they made bad vaccines that made a lot of people sick and/or dead.
So now vaccines are bad and doctors shouldn't be trusted?
Joined: May 27, 2008 Posts: 74 Location: middle of the USA
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: AIDS and PO
I seriously doubt the 1918-epidemic-by-vaccines theory. The flu travelled all over the world, and everywhere it was the same, a W shaped mortality rate (High for infants, lower for children, high for young adults, lower for middle aged folk, high for elderly).
Importantly, the new work shows that infection with the virus prompted an immune response that seems to derail the body's typical reaction to viral infection and instead unleashes an attack by the immune system on the lungs. As immune cells attack the respiratory system, the lungs fill with fluid and victims, in essence, drown.
I have listened to about half of "The Great Influenza". And it documents how the disease started in western Kansas with somewhat worse lethality than usual, and as it spread, it got deadlier and deadlier, until just about everybody on the planet had been exposed to it, and there was nowhere else for it to go. That doesn't fit with the idea that a vaccine caused it. That fits the idea of a mutating virus.
Vaccination was certainly not widespread in third world countries at the time, and I don't think it was that common in Europe or the US. Certainly many of the field hospitals were not sanitary.
Alas, a web search has brought up almost no information about vaccination rates at the time of the influenza epidemic.
I do believe some of the tinfoil hat theories about vaccines, but I don't think it was responsible for the 1918 influenza.
Joined: May 27, 2008 Posts: 74 Location: middle of the USA
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: AIDS and PO
dukey wrote:
oh no
vaccines are safe, in fact i might even go as far as to say they are GOOD for you.
I understand you are being sarcastic here. I agree - vaccines have woefully inadequate safety testing. I would say our kids are guinea pigs, but that would imply someone is looking at our kids outcomes.
That study (based in England, I believe) is good evidence that statistics can be tortured until they confess, with certain types of studies. I believe they controlled for total mercury exposure, or something equivalent.
Other vaccine safety studies (eg Verstraeten, et al) eliminated all sorts of babies that were likely to have had more problems than average - low birth weight babies, babies that didn't get the full regimen. I won't bore you with all the details of this particular study, but quite a few other tricks were used.
One retrospective autism study in Denmark only counted inpatient cases prior to a certain date, then inpatient and outpatient cases after that date. No, that wouldn't affect the results, would it?
Almroth Edward Wright, an English physician, conducted research in blood coagulation and developed a vaccine against typhoid fever in 1889. The vaccine was effective when tested on soldiers during the Boer War. During World War I,British soldiers were the only ones vaccinated and their incidence of typhoid fever was greatly reduced. Wright went on to conduct important work in bacteriology and was knighted in 1906.
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: AIDS and PO
dukey wrote:
Quote:
The spanish flu killed predominatly healthy, well nourished young adults because it triggered cytokine storms.
This is correct. Flu doesn't do this, it takes out the old and weak. The young and healthy were dying because they were receiving vaccinations, probably live viruses.
No, it triggered cytokine storms. The death by vaccines idea is another one of the tin-foil-hat theories that belong with abiotic oil
Joined: Feb 20, 2005 Posts: 2888 Location: Uppsala, Sweden
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject: Re: AIDS and PO
Dezakin wrote:
dukey wrote:
Quote:
The spanish flu killed predominatly healthy, well nourished young adults because it triggered cytokine storms.
This is correct. Flu doesn't do this, it takes out the old and weak. The young and healthy were dying because they were receiving vaccinations, probably live viruses.
No, it triggered cytokine storms. The death by vaccines idea is another one of the tin-foil-hat theories that belong with abiotic oil
+1 _________________ Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:19 am Post subject: Re: AIDS and PO
Golgo13 wrote:
dukey wrote:
oh no
vaccines are safe, in fact i might even go as far as to say they are GOOD for you.
Not the mercury ones, which are no longer in use.
Mercury is not good for you in any amount. Not in your water, not in your medicine/vaccinations, and not in your teeth.
lol .. they are still in use.
It doesn't really matter with the American public though, they are so dumb you can literally tell them anything, as the video shows quite clearly lol.
Joined: May 27, 2008 Posts: 74 Location: middle of the USA
Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: AIDS and PO
dukey wrote:
It's amazing though. The TV says they have removed it, the FDA says otherwise. Who will Americans believe ? That's right, THE TV WINS AGAIN.
Some of it is that an average parent or parent-to-be just doesn't know to look deeper. My older kid got every required and recommended vaccine until 18 months of age. (She is almost 8 now). I didn't know to be sceptical and look closer.
Even when she had some problems I didn't know to look closer until a chance meeting with another parent clued me in that speech apraxia was related to vaccines and that the vaccines given until about 2001 had 50 to 100 times the safe amount of mercury. After that meeting I probably spent over 200 hours looking at available research, including reading about 60% of the 2004 IOM report on vaccines. (Anyone who has time - take a look at that monstrosity. They accepted the reports I noted in the earlier post, but completely ignored all biological studies showing the mechanism by which mercury harms tissue and organism, and also dismissed any statistical studies that came up with wrong conclusion).
As a result of treatments outside the mainstream, and the dumb luck that she wasn't too badly messed up in the first place, my older girl passes for today's normal - hyper and impulsive, but otherwise functioning pretty well. We still chelate her with DMSA.
Parents with reading and comprehension abilities above an 11th grade level often will educate themselves - if they can bring themselves to admit to helping poison their kids.
The whole vaccine thing was a definite red pill experience for me. I had about 50% trust in the US government before. Now it's down to under 1% - tracking the approximate percentage of congresspeople who will stick their necks out to do the right thing.
Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: AIDS and PO
dukey wrote:
Golgo13 wrote:
dukey wrote:
oh no
vaccines are safe, in fact i might even go as far as to say they are GOOD for you.
Not the mercury ones, which are no longer in use.
Mercury is not good for you in any amount. Not in your water, not in your medicine/vaccinations, and not in your teeth.
lol .. they are still in use.
It doesn't really matter with the American public though, they are so dumb you can literally tell them anything, as the video shows quite clearly lol.
It's amazing though. The TV says they have removed it, the FDA says otherwise. Who will Americans believe ? That's right, THE TV WINS AGAIN.
I think the issue is whats worse. The potential side affects of mercury exposure or the potential risk of catching some od these dieases?
For example, Meningococcal Disease. Would you rather possibly contract Meningitis or possibly suffer mercury poisoning from the 25 µg/0.5 per dose of mercury you get?
Decisions decisions. _________________ "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the
Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
Ammo at a gunfight is like bubblegum in grade school: If you havent brought enough for everyone, you're in trouble
Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: AIDS and PO
drgoodword wrote:
dukey wrote:
HIV/AIDS is a huge medical fraud
+1
If the so-called "aids dissidents" are correct--and their hypotheses go a lot further in explaining AIDS than the currently accepted HIV-based one does--the era of HIV/AIDS will be the biggest scandal in the history of science and medicine.
For me, the connection between between AIDS and PO is that both have been made far worse by the official lies spawned by greed and desire for power.
Huh, looks like a bunch of charletans to me. I dug around and found some stuff that was somewhat funny in a dark way:
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In 2007, aidstruth.org, a website run by HIV researchers to counter denialist claims,[42] published a partial list of AIDS denialists who had died of apparently AIDS-related causes. For example, the magazine Continuum, run by HIV-positive denialists, shut down when its editors all died of AIDS-related causes. In every case, the AIDS denialist community attributed the deaths to unknown causes, secret drug use, or stress rather than HIV/AIDS.
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