Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: All problems could be solved...
By less people:
"A Portland carpooling project saved -- according to its own chest-thumping claims -- 3,000 tons of CO2 over five years. That's pathetic -- we could have accomplished the same thing by slowing metro-area population growth by 30 people a year. "
Every time I see a (probably illegal alien) family with 4-5 kids here in LA, I realize the parents are as murderous as the machete wielding killers in the Rwandan genocide.
The later was triggered by overpopulation, and at least in the later the killers were unwittingly providing one of Nature's way to resolve an overpopulation crisis.
Others include starvation, disease, nuclear warfare and eugenics in a totalitarian regime.
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: All problems could be solved...
"fewer people."
If it's countable, use "fewer" - "The tree produced fewer apples than last year."
If it's not countable, use "less" - "The apples we got produced less juice than last year."
I don't know. Some days I wonder whether we should just scrap fewer. It seems to be dying out.
I'm not a big stickler for grammar, but the fewer/lesser thing is a pet peeve. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: All problems could be solved...
Cashmere wrote:
If it's not countable, use "less"
Nobody has a real ‘count’ of how many illegal aliens are in the U.S. I’ve seen figures that vary from 12 million clear up to 25 million. So I would guess they’re ‘not countable’. That would make neocone’s usage correct. _________________ Skeptical scrutiny in both Science and Religion is the means by which deep thoughts are winnowed from deep nonsense-Carl Sagan
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: All problems could be solved...
neocone wrote:
Every time I see a (probably illegal alien) family with 4-5 kids here in LA, I realize the parents are as murderous as the machete wielding killers in the Rwandan genocide.
These types of racist statements are one of the major reasons why intelligent conversations about the need to control our numbers tend to fall into chaos and disrepute. They lend too much credibility to the idea that the people in favor of population control have a hidden agenda and just want to sterilize brown people.
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: All problems could be solved...
SILENTTODD wrote:
Cashmere wrote:
If it's not countable, use "less"
Nobody has a real ‘count’ of how many illegal aliens are in the U.S. I’ve seen figures that vary from 12 million clear up to 25 million. So I would guess they’re ‘not countable’. That would make neocone’s usage correct.
They're countable, notwithstanding your inability to count them.
The water in a glass of water is not countable.
The molecule in a glass of water are countable.
There is less water in the glass, and that less water has fewer molecules than before we poured some out. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: Re: All problems could be solved...
neocone wrote:
By less people:
"A Portland carpooling project saved -- according to its own chest-thumping claims -- 3,000 tons of CO2 over five years. That's pathetic -- we could have accomplished the same thing by slowing metro-area population growth by 30 people a year. "
Every time I see a (probably illegal alien) family with 4-5 kids here in LA, I realize the parents are as murderous as the machete wielding killers in the Rwandan genocide.
The later was triggered by overpopulation, and at least in the later the killers were unwittingly providing one of Nature's way to resolve an overpopulation crisis.
Others include starvation, disease, nuclear warfare and eugenics in a totalitarian regime.
Please make a choice.
Preaching to the converted. Go into a mexican catholic church and see how far you get with that message. _________________ http://doomsteaddiary.blogspot.com/
Joined: Aug 03, 2007 Posts: 4590 Location: Boston Suburbs
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: All problems could be solved...
Windmills wrote:
neocone wrote:
Every time I see a (probably illegal alien) family with 4-5 kids here in LA, I realize the parents are as murderous as the machete wielding killers in the Rwandan genocide.
These types of racist statements are one of the major reasons why intelligent conversations about the need to control our numbers tend to fall into chaos and disrepute. They lend too much credibility to the idea that the people in favor of population control have a hidden agenda and just want to sterilize brown people.
Overshoot doesn't care about political correctness. Whether you're talking about white irish catholics or mexicans, any group of people known to reproduce a lot is fair game for criticism in my book.
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: Re: All problems could be solved...
mos6507 wrote:
...
Preaching to the converted. Go into a mexican catholic church and see how far you get with that message.
and this is why my crystal ball sees a HARD-CRASH.
trying to adapt would be difficult enough with group cooperation
but....
when the majority of the people are hell bent on taking a course of action that only exacerbates the problem, the efforts of the minority become negated.
Joined: May 26, 2008 Posts: 1190 Location: Chicago, IL
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:17 am Post subject: Re: All problems could be solved...
neocone wrote:
Every time I see a (probably illegal alien) family with 4-5 kids here in LA, I realize the parents are as murderous as the machete wielding killers in the Rwandan genocide.
FYI, in the US in 2004, out of 4.1 million births, 3.2 million were from white mothers. It's a consistent example of how we tend to blame others for our problems. The well-to-do are breeding (and over populating) more than ever. It's not the (illegal) immigrant or the "Somalian dropping kids faster than trucks with food supply can arrive." It's us, brother.
Joined: May 26, 2008 Posts: 1190 Location: Chicago, IL
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: Re: All problems could be solved...
mos6507 wrote:
Overshoot doesn't care about political correctness. Whether you're talking about white irish catholics or mexicans, any group of people known to reproduce a lot is fair game for criticism in my book.
True. But overpopulation is mostly by the US-born white people, ie, Jim Bob Duggar and his 17 kids and the 18th on the way. Remember, the US carrying capacity is believed to be 60 million people. We did not "import" 250 million Irish and Mexicans. Overshoot was "Made in the USA".
Joined: Aug 03, 2007 Posts: 4590 Location: Boston Suburbs
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:39 am Post subject: Re: All problems could be solved...
VMarcHart wrote:
mos6507 wrote:
Overshoot doesn't care about political correctness. Whether you're talking about white irish catholics or mexicans, any group of people known to reproduce a lot is fair game for criticism in my book.
True. But overpopulation is mostly by the US-born white people, ie, Jim Bob Duggar and his 17 kids and the 18th on the way. Remember, the US carrying capacity is believed to be 60 million people. We did not "import" 250 million Irish and Mexicans. Overshoot was "Made in the USA".
I see a lot of statistics floating around but not a lot of links to back them up. I've heard that the majority of recent population growth in the US is due to immigration, most of it illegals. We're not talking about an official census of citizens, we're talking about estimates of who is living here, legally or not. Two very different things. _________________ http://doomsteaddiary.blogspot.com/
Joined: Jul 02, 2008 Posts: 591 Location: Canterbury, UK
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Re: All problems could be solved...
Decrease in number of children is mostly a factor of education and living standards. A push for more education and higher living standards, in average, is a lot more efficient in reducing population than anything else.
In order to show that I recognize it's average and not an absolute effect, a silly example of sheer stupidity: met a doctor lady yesterday, who has 5 daughters. Asked how would we feed the world's next generation if everyone has the same idea. I swear the woman almost shot me dead in the office, she said she had all the right to have as many kids as she wanted, because she worked and paid taxes, and she wanted a male son. Idiocy, I realized, sometimes stays around after graduation and internship. _________________ Environmental News and Clippings:
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:23 am Post subject: Re: All problems could be solved...
CarlosFerreira wrote:
Idiocy, I realized, sometimes stays around after graduation and internship.
Idiocy quite often does not require internships and graduations. That woman most likely has established herself already as a future mother of humanity and whatever will come of it, and such responsible environment-friendly specimens like you will be gone within a generation. And nothing will be left of you.
Joined: Jul 02, 2008 Posts: 591 Location: Canterbury, UK
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: All problems could be solved...
Pretorian wrote:
... such responsible environment-friendly specimens like you...
Yeah, I wished.
The thing that bothered me was the silly, silly excuse: she wanted a male kid, so she just kept on trying. How selfish do you like it? _________________ Environmental News and Clippings:
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