Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence
Cid_Yama wrote:
Republic of Abkhazia has launched a military operation in a Tbilisi-controlled part of the disputed Kodori gorge, it's foreign minister said on Saturday.
"Abkhaz armed forces launched an operation to drive Georgian forces out of the gorge," Sergei Shamba said by telephone from the regional capital Sukhumi. "Artillery has been used." Earlier on Friday, Abkhaz leaders said they had sent warplanes to bomb the Kodori gorge. A spokesman for the pro-Tbilisi Abkhaz government in exile said Russian warplanes had bombed two villages.
Georgia's march into South Ossetia has prompted the Abkhazia to begin preparing for war as well. Abkhazian Foreign Minister Sergei Shamba told SPIEGEL ONLINE that his province might open up a second front.
A Russian peacekeeper mans a checkpoint in the breakaway region of Abkhazia.
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A Russian peacekeeper mans a checkpoint in the breakaway region of Abkhazia.
SPIEGEL ONLINE: How is Abkhazia reacting to the events in South Ossetia?
Shamba: We have a deal with South Ossetia on how we will deal with crisis situations. And we are now planning on implementing it. Our security council met all night and ordered our army to deploy this morning to the Georgian border.
SPIEGEL ONLINE: Will a second front now be opened in Abkhazia?
Shamba: That depends on how the situation in South Ossetia develops. We understand very well that we Abkhazians are next in line after South Ossetia. If the situation doesn't stabilize again, then we will have to open a second front.
SPIEGEL ONLINE: Why did the situation suddenly escalate now to the degree it has?
Shamba: After the recognition of Kosovo, the situation intensified and Georgia understands that it is losing South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Further talks will only serve to distance the two republics even further from Georgia. That's why the Georgians themselves have started to aggravate the situation, violating previous agreements and applying constant pressure. That has led to a counter response and the situation has gotten out of control. We actually expected this in Abkhazia, but now it is happening in South Ossetia.
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence
americandream wrote:
Cid, have you any idea what the Jews are up to in supporting far right adventurism afround the world.
Heh, I knew the Jews would be mentioned sooner than later when a conflict erupts somewhere. _________________ "The progress of civilization:
bondage --> spiritual faith --> courage --> liberty --> abundance --> complacency --> apathy --> dependence --> bondage." - Alexander Tyler
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:24 am Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence
Fredrik wrote:
americandream wrote:
Cid, have you any idea what the Jews are up to in supporting far right adventurism afround the world.
Heh, I knew the Jews would be mentioned sooner than later when a conflict erupts somewhere.
Well, I am rather perplexed at the role Jews and Israel in particular appear to be having in furthering certain right wing causes globally. One that comes to mind of course is the fragmentation of Russian Europe and expansion of the German dominated EU (echoes of Hitler's greater Europe?).
Now what could purpose could the expansion of an Europe dominated by Germany possibly serve the recently ejected Jew. Cid, with his diplomatic background may be able to cast some light on the matter. _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate!
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:29 am Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence
americandream wrote:
Fredrik wrote:
americandream wrote:
Cid, have you any idea what the Jews are up to in supporting far right adventurism afround the world.
Heh, I knew the Jews would be mentioned sooner than later when a conflict erupts somewhere.
Well, I am rather perplexed at the role Jews and Israel in particular appear to be having in furthering certain right wing causes globally. One that comes to mind of course is the fragmentation of Russian Europe and expansion of the German dominated EU (echoes of Hitler's greater Europe?).
Now what could purpose could the expansion of an Europe dominated by Germany possibly serve the recently ejected Jew. Cid, with his diplomatic background may be able to cast some light on the matter.
Various Jews have been seen as historically fomenting and profiting from wars.
Jewish culture is completely fine with war, as long as no Jews are dying, and completely supports the fomenting of war if profits are to be made.
Hitler's main beef with the Jews in Germany was that he believed the Jewish bankers had struck a deal in WWI to cut off funding to Germany because more money was to be had supporting Britain.
You reap what you sow.
Loyalty is a rare and precious thing.
If Israeli is supporting Georgia, it's either because . . .
1. They are money making on Georgia.
2. Supporting Georgia makes Israel safer somehow.
Don't look beyond that. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:33 am Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence
Cashmere wrote:
americandream wrote:
Fredrik wrote:
americandream wrote:
Cid, have you any idea what the Jews are up to in supporting far right adventurism afround the world.
Heh, I knew the Jews would be mentioned sooner than later when a conflict erupts somewhere.
Well, I am rather perplexed at the role Jews and Israel in particular appear to be having in furthering certain right wing causes globally. One that comes to mind of course is the fragmentation of Russian Europe and expansion of the German dominated EU (echoes of Hitler's greater Europe?).
Now what could purpose could the expansion of an Europe dominated by Germany possibly serve the recently ejected Jew. Cid, with his diplomatic background may be able to cast some light on the matter.
Various Jews have been seen as historically fomenting and profiting from wars.
Jewish culture is completely fine with war, as long as no Jews are dying, and completely supports the fomenting of war if profits are to be made.
Hitler's main beef with the Jews in Germany was that he believed the Jewish bankers had struck a deal in WWI to cut off funding to Germany because more money was to be had supporting Britain.
You reap what you sow.
Loyalty is a rare and precious thing.
If Israeli is supporting Georgia, it's either because . . .
1. They are money making on Georgia.
2. Supporting Georgia makes Israel safer somehow.
Don't look beyond that.
In other words, Israel has not quite considered the long term risk of a unified Europe continent wide and led by a resurgent Germany. _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate!
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:38 am Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence
A couple things:
Georgia has one of the oldest Jewish communities in the world.
"Jerusalem owns a strong interest in Caspian oil and gas pipelines reaching the Turkish terminal port of Ceyhan, rather than the Russian network. Intense negotiations are afoot between Israel Turkey, Georgia, Turkmenistan and Azarbaijan for pipelines to reach Turkey and thence to Israel’s oil terminal at Ashkelon and on to its Red Sea port of Eilat. From there, supertankers can carry the gas and oil to the Far East through the Indian Ocean."
And yes Israel has been supplying all forms of weapon systems to Georgia, from unmanned drones to small arms and infantry equipment.
Israeli private contractors have also been engaged in training Georgia's military.
So, yes, Israel has a lot of irons in the fire with regards to Georgia.
Why their advisors were 'riding along' with Georgian troops is beyond me. Seems a pretty stupid move politically without serving any real purpose.
There is currently a rift in the Israeli Government with regards to Russia. Some are wanting to appease Russia and form closer ties. The other side are fanatical Bushites. There was a recent row over whether to halt sales of military equipment to Georgia.
Perhaps, tales of advisors along for the ride are just stories intended to embarrass one of the factions, or perhaps intended to strain relations with Russia. _________________ In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell
It riles them to believe that you perceive the webs they weave. - Moody Blues
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:22 am Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence
americandream wrote:
In other words, Israel has not quite considered the long term risk of a unified Europe continent wide and led by a resurgent Germany.
Ok, even if the european continent was unified, which it isn't and almost certainly never will be and even if we would lead, which unfortunatly we don't , how exactly is this a long term risk for Israel?
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence
EnergyUnlimited wrote:
Koyaanisqatsi wrote:
If the US responds with force, Russia will stop buying US debt. Maybe China, too.
If US responds with force, you may well not be around half an hour later.
It is really silly to assume that US would wish to die (or go back to Stone Age), just to protect Georgia.
Buying (or not buying) US debt is completely irrelevant here.
I agree that it's highly unlikely that the U.S. will do anything. But there is no need for such hyperbole. Why would Russia risk nuclear retaliation when it (and China) can bring down the US without firing a shot? Anyway, this is all just speculation, and since we agree, it's probably not worth debating.
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:49 pm Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence
Germany accuses Georgia of breaking international law for triggering South Ossetia conflict
German deputy Foreign Minister Gernot Erler accused Georgia of violating international law by triggering a military conflict with Russia in the separatist Caucasus region of South Ossetia, the press reported Saturday.
Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili has apparently tried to resolve militarily the dispute over the breakaway province, Erler said.
This has led to a violation of international law because the 1992 ceasefire agreement which has been monitored by international troops, has been broken because of the clashes, the top German diplomat added.
He expressed also understanding for Russia's military action against Georgia in South Ossetia.
From Moscow's point of view, Russian peacekeeping troops based in South Ossetia, were attacked, Erler said.
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence
State Oil Co: Azerbaijan Halts Oil Exports Via Georgian Ports
Azerbaijan has halted oil exports via the Georgian ports of Batumi and Kulevi due to clashes between Russia and Georgia, the head of the state oil company said Saturday.
"Since last night the import and export of oil through the Georgian ports of Kulevi and Batumi have been halted," said Rovnag Abdullayev, the head of the Azeri state oil company SOCAR, in televised comments.
"This is due to armed actions in the area of the Georgia-Ossetia conflict."
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence
“If Saakashvili thought he was going to take over the region by force without a Russian reaction, he is even more naive than we thought,” said a Kremlin insider. “I’m not quite sure what he had in mind, but the end result is pretty clear as far as we are concerned. Russian tanks in South Ossetia won’t be in any rush to leave.”
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: Cold War heats up with a vengence
The image of President Bush smiling and chatting with Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin of Russia from the stands of the Beijing Olympics even as Russian aircraft were shelling Georgia outlines the reality of America’s Russia policy. While America considers Georgia its strongest ally in the bloc of former Soviet countries, Washington needs Russia too much on big issues like Iran to risk it all to defend Georgia.
And State Department officials made it clear on Saturday that there was no chance the United States would intervene militarily.
Mr. Bush did use tough language, demanding that Russia stop bombing. And Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice demanded that Russia “respect Georgia’s territorial integrity.”
What did Mr. Putin do? First, he repudiated President Nicolas Sarkozy of France in Beijing, refusing to budge when Mr. Sarkozy tried to dissuade Russia from its military operation. “It was a very, very tough meeting,” a senior Western official said afterward. “Putin was saying, ‘We are going to make them pay. We are going to make justice.’ ”
Then, Mr. Putin flew from Beijing to a region that borders South Ossetia, arriving after an announcement that Georgia was pulling its troops out of the capital of the breakaway region. He appeared ostensibly to coordinate assistance to refugees who had fled South Ossetia into Russia, but the Russian message was clear: This is our sphere of influence; others stay out.
“What the Russians just did is, for the first time since the fall of the Soviet Union, they have taken a decisive military action and imposed a military reality,” said George Friedman, chief executive of Stratfor, a geopolitical analysis and intelligence company. “They’ve done it unilaterally, and all of the countries that have been looking to the West to intimidate the Russians are now forced into a position to consider what just happened.”
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, how exactly is this a long term risk for Israel?
