Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Will the Georgia war escalate to involve the US and others?
NO, it'll all be over in a week
65%
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YES, this could get very serious globally
34%
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Viper Heavy Crude
Joined: Jun 05, 2004 Posts: 204 Location: MO
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Will the US get involved in Russian war?
So... Russia is committing thousands of combat ready troops and equipment to the tussle in Georgia... everyone's wondering what the US will do...
Does anyone know where China has their tanks these days? I mean, Siberia is full of ethnic Chinese, and Georgia for Siberia would be a very poor trade for Russia...
Does one get a free pass from being nuked if one is hosting the Olympics???
Joined: Aug 03, 2006 Posts: 4338 Location: Graceland
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:43 am Post subject: Re: Will the US get involved in Russian war?
A few bizarre factors:
This thing started right as the Olympics started. That's odd.
This has had no effect on the price of gold, though this sort of shooting almost always juices the price of gold a little.
This has had no effect on the price of oil, though this action has the potential to significantly impact control of a portion of the world's oil delivery infrastructure.
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:56 am Post subject: Re: Will the US get involved in Russian war?
BigTex wrote:
A few bizarre factors:
This thing started right as the Olympics started. That's odd.
This has had no effect on the price of gold, though this sort of shooting almost always juices the price of gold a little.
This has had no effect on the price of oil, though this action has the potential to significantly impact control of a portion of the world's oil delivery infrastructure.
It's REALLY weird.
Yes odd indeed.
This war is to be watched VERY closely.
Odd that the US - only a few weeks ago - was "warming" up to talks/diplomacy with Iran.
Odd that in the span of 24 hours it has escalated to a full on major conflict.
Odd that an unprecendented armada is heading for the gulf.
If this blows over - great.
If not...nice knowing ya'll.
Jay Hanson has argued the nuc war is inevitable...I believe him...I just thought we had a few more years left.
Oh well...so it goes. _________________ 500 MPH into a brick wall - me
Joined: May 06, 2006 Posts: 873 Location: Tustin, CA
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Will the US get involved in Russian war?
Laurasia wrote:
I heard somebody at work say "Georgia? ... the Russians are attacking Georgia?" I was wondering how long it would take before it filtered through that there is also a Republic of Georgia.
Regards,
L.
Yeh, like big deal! Didn't General Sherman and the Yankees already do this once before. I heard they burned Atlanta to the ground! _________________ Skeptical scrutiny in both Science and Religion is the means by which deep thoughts are winnowed from deep nonsense-Carl Sagan
Joined: Sep 29, 2004 Posts: 2330 Location: Pennsylvania, USA
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: Will the US get involved in Russian war?
Well it goes like this; the PTB have been itching for a "good" war for some time now; since 1980, actually. They've geared up to the max for it and have been trying all the while, rattling the cages of "trouble spots," hoping that some huge conflagration would emerge. THANK GOD that plan hasn't really worked so far. The people of this planet have been becoming progressively more and more wise about things regarding WHO really runs this planet and thus have, to the large part, refused to play along and this has frustrated the PTB enormously. Even after several staged terrorist attacks, they just can't seem to rally the troops like they used to.
It's still a very dangerous situation in the world today. We've managed to avoid a huge WMD war so far and what this has done is allowed mankind to mature almost to the point of not "needing" to be "hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil" slaves anymore. The masters have out lived their "usefulness," and thus have been turning up the volume in what can only be seen as a last ditch effort to retain the veils of fear over the planet that have existed for so long. TPB, long almost a unified world trust have as a result, fractured into saber rattling fiefdoms. The world, it is a' changin. _________________ "That's the problem with mercy, kid... It just ain't professional" - Fast Eddie, The Color of Money
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: Will the US get involved in Russian war?
I want to hear the russians respond to the latest US condemnations of the fighting with pleas for a halt to all Iraq violence. Maybe the Russians are trying to get involved in the US war?
Joined: May 24, 2008 Posts: 130 Location: Park County, Wyoming
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Will the US get involved in Russian war?
[quote="MadScientist"]
The US has made a serious investment in Georgia- it's hard to imagine a more pro-US country. In fact if you go by Iraq coalition numbers, they're #3./quote]
Boloney... Once again, Israel.. the world's chief trouble-maker has their grimey prints all over this mess....
Jerusalem owns a strong interest in Caspian oil and gas pipelines reach the Turkish terminal port of Ceyhan, rather than the Russian network. Intense negotiations are afoot between Israel Turkey, Georgia, Turkmenistan and Azarbaijan for pipelines to reach Turkey and thence to Israel’s oil terminal at Ashkelon and on to its Red Sea port of Eilat. From there, supertankers can carry the gas and oil to the Far East through the Indian Ocean.
Last year, the Georgian president commissioned from private Israeli security firms several hundred military advisers, estimated at up to 1,000, to train the Georgian armed forces in commando, air, sea, armored and artillery combat tactics. They also offer instruction on military intelligence and security for the central regime. Tbilisi also purchased weapons, intelligence and electronic warfare systems from Israel.
These advisers were undoubtedly deeply involved in the Georgian army’s preparations to conquer the South Ossetian capital Friday.
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: Will the US get involved in Russian war?
BigTex wrote:
A few bizarre factors:
This thing started right as the Olympics started. That's odd.
This has had no effect on the price of gold, though this sort of shooting almost always juices the price of gold a little.
This has had no effect on the price of oil, though this action has the potential to significantly impact control of a portion of the world's oil delivery infrastructure.
It's REALLY weird.
The speculation goes that Saakashvili played a foolhardy gambit to occupy (de facto independent) South-Ossetia and close the only semi-decent road from Russia to South-Ossetia - which goes through a tunnel that could be blown down- by a surprise attack and before Russia could react - hence the timing. Obviously the plan failed and there's no real way out of the situation except accept that as Kosovo was to Serbia, SO (and Abkhasia) are to Georgia.
Market reaction has been delayed by weekend - we'll see on Monday.
"LONDON (Reuters) - NATO officials will not be part of a delegation travelling to Georgia to try to broker a ceasefire in its conflict with Russia over the rebel South Ossetia region, a spokeswoman said on Saturday.
The comment came after Britain's Defence Secretary Des Browne told Sky television in Britain that NATO officials would join EU, U.S., and Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) officials headed to Georgia on Saturday night to try to negotiate an end to the fighting..."
Sounds like the US is on the way to involvement, as is the EU.
Joined: May 30, 2008 Posts: 297 Location: On the highway, or the water somewhere!
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Will the US get involved in Russian war?
DefiledEngine wrote:
I want to hear the russians respond to the latest US condemnations of the fighting with pleas for a halt to all Iraq violence. Maybe the Russians are trying to get involved in the US war?
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In the meantime, Russian officials believe that it was the USA that orchestrated the current conflict. The chairman of the State Duma Committee for Security, Vladimir Vasilyev, believes that the current conflict is South Ossetia is very reminiscent to the wars in Iraq and Kosovo.
“The things that were happening in Kosovo, the things that were happening in Iraq – we are now following the same path. The further the situation unfolds, the more the world will understand that Georgia would never be able to do all this without America. South Ossetian defense officials used to make statements about imminent aggression from Georgia, but the latter denied everything, whereas the US Department of State released no comments on the matter. In essence, they have prepared the force, which destroys everything in South Ossetia, attacks civilians and hospitals. They are responsible for this. The world community will learn about it,” the official said.
In the meantime, it became known that the Georgian troops conducted volley-fire cleansings of several South Ossetian settlements, where people’s houses were simply leveled.
“The number of victims with women, children and elderly people among them, can be counted in hundreds and even thousands,” a source from South Ossetian government in the capital of Tskhinvali said.
The head of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Sergei Lavrov, told reporters that Georgia’s actions in South Ossetia question its consistency as a state and as a responsible member of the international community, Interfax reports.
"Civilians, including women, children and elderly people, are dying in South Ossetia. In addition to that, Georgia conducts ethnic scouring in South Ossetian villages. The situation in South Ossetia continues to worsen every hour. Georgia uses military hardware and heavy arms against people. They shell residential quarters of Tskhinvali [the capital] and other settlements. They bomb the humanitarian convoys. The number of refugees continues to rise – the people try to save their lives, the lives of their children and relatives. A humanitarian catastrophe is gathering pace,” Russia’s Foreign Minister said.
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject: Re: Will the US get involved in Russian war?
Quote:
Will the US get involved in Russian war?
Will the Georgia war escalate to involve the US and others?
NO, it'll all be over in a week
YES, this could get very serious globally
These questions are incomplete. The war can go on for a long time without involving the US.
Joined: Jul 04, 2008 Posts: 242 Location: Europe: European Historian
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:58 am Post subject: Re: Will the US get involved in Russian war?
KevO wrote:
this poll could be redundant as it looks like the US is now getting involved
Beyound just Dick Cheney and Bush and ...The Congo Lisa saber ratteling just HOW is the US getting involved? I fail to see it.
Ohh transporting 2,000 troops back to Georgia is just being nice..becasue Georgia helped them in Iraq...
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