Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War
Just from what I've heard in day to day activities the past 72hrs, about 99.9% of Americans could care less whats going on over there!? Anyone else get that vibe? Pretty sad... _________________ Clothing should be optional.
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War
Just read the wiki on Georgia. Lot of interesting history in that country. Sure sounds like they've been back in forth with the "Reds" for a long time.
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War
Quote:
U.S. Military Instructors Command Hirelings in Georgia
Thousands of mercenaries are fighting for Georgia in this burning conflict with South Ossetia. They are commanded by the U.S. military instructors, RIA Novosti reported with reference to a high-ranked officer of Russia’s military intelligence.
“From 2,500 to 3,000 mercenaries fight against Russia’s peacekeepers on behalf of Georgia,” the unnamed source said. Amid them are the natives of Ukraine, some Baltic states and the Caucasus regions.
The U.S. military instructors directly command and coordinate actions of mercenaries without being involved in actual fighting, the source specified. According to intelligence data, there are roughly 1,000 military instructors of the United States in Georgia.
Task force of Russia has annihilated a few groups of mercenaries. Some of mercenaries have been captured, and investigators are working with them, the source said.
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:05 pm Post subject: Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War
Plantagenet wrote:
The National Museum of Georgia has this beautiful piece of St. George slaying the dragon.
The dragon is coming again. Russian forces are headed for Tbilsi.
looks like that's going to be some pretty hard slogging. i wish i could get some nice maps of the road network, but i can't seem to find any, so just by looking at google maps satellite shots, it looks like there will be ample opportunity for defense as the russians get squeezed and funneled by the local geography on the way to tblisi.
Two Reuters reporters in Gori said they saw no evidence of a substantial Russian presence in the town.
One said he saw Georgian soldiers leaving in convoys.
The second reporters said: "We are right now driving through the town and I see no trace of troops or military vehicles. It is absolutely deserted."
The reporter said he later saw a Georgian armoured personnel carrier on fire east of Gori on the highway to Tbilisi. A long convoy of Georgian military trucks was heading away from Gori towards the capital.
Two Reuters reporters in Gori said they saw no evidence of a substantial Russian presence in the town.
One said he saw Georgian soldiers leaving in convoys.
The second reporters said: "We are right now driving through the town and I see no trace of troops or military vehicles. It is absolutely deserted."
The reporter said he later saw a Georgian armoured personnel carrier on fire east of Gori on the highway to Tbilisi. A long convoy of Georgian military trucks was heading away from Gori towards the capital.
Will Russians go for the big one now?
here's the interesting part from your link:
Quote:
Moscow swiftly denied the statement.
"There are no Russian troops in Gori," a Russian Defence Ministry spokesman said
does this mean that the russians understand that gori is some sort of red-line for US-NATO? maybe the back-channel communication was, "you can have s. ossetia, but you'd better not go farther than that."
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War
Hello again,
It is interesting to put two AlexLarge's posts together:
On US in Iraq
This conflict is evidence of how critical Iraq is to US strategy. The whole reason we are there is oil. US forces now sit on top of and control the last largest supply of crude on the planet. Iraq is the most strategic place on Earth. No need to put carriers in danger by sending them close to the battle. Everything needed is in Iraq. Only 600 miles to the action.
On Russian energo-fascism
"This, then, is another face of Energo-fascism in Russia: the use of its energy as an instrument of political influence and coercion over weak have-not states on its borders. "It is not that energy is the new atomic weapon," Cliff Kupchan of the Eurasia Group consultancy told the Financial Times, "but Russia knows that petro-power, aggressively and cleverly applied, can yield diplomatic influence."
It virtually means that Iraq war was necessary for US to control the oil reserves there. And it is necessary to stop Russia by all means because it uses oil as a political instrument?
Do take it correctly? If yes, then a couple of statements:
1. Nobody cares about Georgia as such, as well as their populations. So we come back to a typical anglo-saxon way of thinking, formulated best by Lord Balfur in around 1920 about Georgia: "For all I care is the railroad carrying cicterns with oil. And the aborigenes may tear each other into pieces"
2. Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland are safe -- no oil or any other sizeable energy resources there.
In the meantime, Russian media shows footage of Georgians bombing Tskhinvali again...
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War
nobodypanic wrote:
does this mean that the russians understand that gori is some sort of red-line for US-NATO? maybe the back-channel communication was, "you can have s. ossetia, but you'd better not go farther than that."
Possible, but somewhat doubtful considering the Georgians' retreat. The Russians took a military base at Senaki (outside Abkhazia), so if I had to guess I'd say they simply don't care about overtaking empty cities. The Reuters reporter said the city was desert...
Let's hope you're right though.
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War
My guess is the US is seeking flyover permission from Turkey. Russia is pressuring the Turks to not allow it or else. _________________ Viddy well, little brother. Viddy well.
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War
AlexdeLarge wrote:
My guess is the US is seeking flyover permission from Turkey. Russia is pressuring the Turks to not allow it or else.
I can see no reason the Kemalists would object, Erdogan may but then Turks have a bit of a fear over Russian, they are there greatest traditional rival in the region.
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