Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: AIDS and PO
I read a bit in Wikipedia and some other articles about Spanish flu and cytokine storm.
"Cytokine storm" ist just another name for Anaphylaxis, it seems to be as if autoimmunity describes the same thing. I will clarify that tomorrow with a doctor.
You will have to be concerned with Anaphylaxis/Cytokine storm if you e.g. are very sensitive against bee stings or peanuts (butter).
A very little amount of the related substance and you eventually will suffocate because of your swollen muscles in your throat.
I never heard till friday that most of the people, who died because fo the Spanish flu, died because of a cytokine storm.
I found an article in a big german newspaper from January 2007 where this new fact is described.
I saw a documentary last year about an expedition to Iceland or Greenland. They wanted to exhume bodys of people buried down in permafrost and by chance discover a sign of the virus.
If i remember right there was no remark about destroyed lung tissue, like it is described in explanations of a cytokine storm/anaphylaxis.
At the beginning of the last century the "cytokine storm" was created in an experiment with dogs, which died after the second appliance of a fish poison. Then substances of the body oneself where discovered as to be the cause of this reaction (1909). One year later the substance was discovered: Histamine.
As a cytokine storm appears to be nothing else but a Anaphylaxis there should be no cause to be afraid of a influenza pandemic, at least if there is enough epinephrine (adrenaline) for acute measures and e.g. H1- or H2-antigonist for treatment in the early phase.
We just have to compare the medical standard and information possibilities with the same 70 years ago.
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Huh, looks like a bunch of charletans to me. I dug around and found some stuff that was somewhat funny in a dark way:
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In 2007, aidstruth.org, a website run by HIV researchers to counter denialist claims,[42] published a partial list of AIDS denialists who had died of apparently AIDS-related causes. For example, the magazine Continuum, run by HIV-positive denialists, shut down when its editors all died of AIDS-related causes. In every case, the AIDS denialist community attributed the deaths to unknown causes, secret drug use, or stress rather than HIV/AIDS.
Whoopsie.
Thats interesting. It reminds me of another dark story:
During the French Revolution 1789, some persons, who exploited and fooled the people, suddenly had to notice a certain difference in body length (at about the size of a head).
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: AIDS and PO
I think you need to do a little more research on the cytokine storm. While it is true that it is similar to anaphalaxis, a simple epipen shot will not fix it. I went through a cytokine storm only a few months ago with my mother. She had a case of the flu with a follow on bacterial infection. She was treated with massive doses of anti-inflammatory medication and antibiotics but the end result was that all they could really do was to provide ventilation and fever control while they waited for the body to either survive the storm or give out. Luckily she won out and after 6 weeks in ICU she was able to recover.
In 1918 it was the cytokine storm that created many of the deaths in seemingly healthy young people, there is some speculation that bacterial infections also caused many deaths. Today one of the leading bacterial infections that follow flu is Staphlococcus aureus pneumonia. also of note is that there is a trend of these infections involving antibiotic resistant strains.
The reason a pandemic is so daunting is because the medical system would be quickly overwhelmed and the supportive care needed would not be available. Think about it, the spanish flu killed millions of people worldwide over about an 18 month period. IF we had the numbers of sick and dying today our hospitals could not cope. I suggest you visit www.planforpandemic.com or the centers for disease control for more info.
JMHO,
Tim _________________ It is not the strongest of species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the ones most responsive to change.
Charles Darwin
Joined: Sep 03, 2005 Posts: 75 Location: Germany, State M-V
Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: AIDS and PO
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She had a case of the flu with a follow on bacterial infection.
Does that mean that first came the flu and then the infection? I'm not that firm in all english words and phrase despite a good dictionary at home and a good online dictionary ( http://dict.leo.org ).
I wish you all the best for your mother now and for the future!
I will sent you a message with some more questions.
I will temporarily concentrate again more on AIDS. I have to read more about the Spanish flu before.
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In 1918 it was the cytokine storm that created many of the deaths in seemingly healthy young people, there is some speculation that bacterial infections also caused many deaths.
I don't think that the plan of nature, the sense of the evolution, is to kill the soundest, the best, the strongest specimen of a population.
I asked my doctor, a specialist (!) in general medicine (in Germany a specialisation for a doctor in a certain subject takes at least five years of practice and studying) about the difference cytokine storm, Anaphylaxis and autoimmunity. She said that she can't say anything from scratch. She also has to read first in a book about it!
"That people die of degenerative diseases at an alarming rate in central Africa is not in question. The question is how many of those deaths are really AIDS. We saw many sick, dying, and even dead people during this trip, but the task of trying to decipher just what they were truly dying of struck me as impossible. Often, their doctors didn't even know. In many cases, it seemed not to matter. Death is death, and in Africa, death is common. But AIDS carries with it the same multiple curses of discrimination, terror, guilt, and despondency in Africa as it does here. And yet in Africa, AIDS diagnoses are given liberally, hastily, with little or no testing to back them up."
Another very important quote of this article:
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"When Krynen, a French nurse working with AIDS orphans in Kagera, a region of Tanzania near the Uganda border, first came to the area, he realized that the first thing he had to do was get a real answer to the question of how many people were "infected" with HIV, "When I came here," he said, "people had completely given up. Nobody was interested in safe sex that's only an option if you think you have a chance. So we decided to test everybody to find out who was not infected. I figured that those who were not infected could become leaders and inspire the others. We tested 150 Tanzanians. We were expecting to find up to 50 percent HIVpositive. We found 5 percent.
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So he did another round of testing, this time of 842 people the entire adult population of a village. Of those, 116 were positive, or 13.5 percent. "We had people who were symptomatically AIDS patients:" Krynen said. "They were dying of AIDS, but when they were tested and found out they were negative they suddenly rebounded and are now perfectly healthy.""
Situation in Uganda:
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"We got out of the car and surveyed what looked like a swamp, with a pipe emerging from it. This was, it turned out, the surrounding villages' water supply. It was also where the sewage was deposited.
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The nearest hospital was miles away. There were no cars; the only means of transportation were donkeys and the occasional bicycle. The Ugandan government sets and enforces fees for medication, which most people can"t afford. It became clear to us that most people living in the Rakai district had no access to health care whatsoever. Malnutrition, filthy water, diseases left untreated - and the WHO had come in with "AIDS educational programs," instructing people how to use condoms?
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In Alrica, AIDS Is called slim disease because it is characterized first and formost by extreme wasting, a condition primarely caused by prolonged diarrhea.
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According to a study by Nwang, pulmonary TB is most common in the age group of 15- to 44- year-olds, who comprise 70 to 80 percent of all cases.
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Now the WHO ignores the real problems (malnutrition, filthy water,...) but says AIDS is the problem? What about first solving these problems and after that look again at the medical situation in Uganda?
The last sentence of the quote reminds of the effects of the Spanish flu, were mainly young and healthy people were effected as per the newest discoverys.
I read a german article about the Bangui definition and all the background to AIDS in Africa ("Die Bangui-Definition von Guido Hoener", http://www.rethinkingaids.de/afrika/bangui.htm). There was a very interesting passage about the death of mainly young people in relation to the rate of the older ones. I don't know if there exists a english version of this text or a text with similar informations. I searched with some phrases but couldn't find anything comparable within a few minutes.
So i do a translation of the text which is faster:
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"A Journalist (Rem.: Samuel Mulondo) from Uganda leads back AIDS-diagnosises in Africa also to vaccinations, especially on their long time effects. "In Africa there are too many vaccinations; You can't believe how they are conducted, 12 injections! Too many antibiotics.. Wo died in this community? You will find out that elder people, which weren't too strongly exposed to these vaccinations, are alive and in good condition ... but people in the age between 20 and 35, which were exposed to antibiotics and other drugs, do have the problem. The persons, who received the vaccinations in the 70s, are those who now are diagnosed with AIDS"
From "English Collective of Prostitutes / Nina Lopez-Jones (Hg.): Prostitute women and AIDS - Resisting the virus of repression. Crossroads Books, London 1988, p.9 ([Interview with the journalist Samuel Mulondo from Uganda]"
It would be interesting to analyze some cases of this young people who died of Spanish flu for vaccinations, circumstances of living (clean water, clean housing, etc.), diseases which were acute before or during the beginning of the flu, et cetera.
There are a lot of other interesting aspects in the german article, but this post would be too big then.
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