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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:55 am    Post subject: What's the root of the Montreal riots? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Canwest News Service Mon, 11 Aug 2008
MONTREAL - As it appealed for calm after a Sunday night riot sparked by the police shooting death of a teen, the Montreal police force's track record on race relations came into sharp focus on Monday. …
If you are male, a member of a visible minority and drive a sports car, you can be targeted," Ms. Mourani said Monday. "One youth told me he was stopped 10 times in one day. That is a lot and I think the young people are fed up." …
Jacques Hebert, who teaches at Universite de Montreal's social work school, noted that unemployment, poverty and discrimination plague the area and attacking the police is a way to get back at a system some of them feel oppressed by, he said. …
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:01 am    Post subject: Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Ten times in one day. Time for the revolution. It's not just race, it's anyone who is not sufficiently submissive, anyone who doesn't show the signs of capitulation.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:01 am    Post subject: Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Cid_Yama wrote:
Ten times in one day. Time for the revolution.


And apparently we're seeing it.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:44 am    Post subject: Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

There is no racism in Canada. Nickel says so, so it must be true.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Cashmere wrote:
There is no racism in Canada. Nickel says so


Where?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:24 am    Post subject: Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Yep Cid, it's those terrible cops and not those nice gang members that are the problem. Boo hoo. Racial profiling boo hoo, those gangs are such pantheons of diversity. Any gang members on line? Cid welcomes you to his neighborhood, no capitulation there!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I used to get stopped up to five times each time I walked back from my girlfriend's house (about three miles) when I was a teenager living near Liverpool.

I'm white, but so were the drug addicts that were breaking into people's houses all the time. It pissed me off, but as it wasn't racist I guess I couldn't complain.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:54 am    Post subject: Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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You almost had it figured out there. The people committing the crimes you mentioned were a certain color predominantly, you were stopped because of your age and race. That's just as "racist" and "age discrimination" as any other (or common sense), you just had enough sense to understand association. Should the cops have stopped little old black women who were in that neighborhood as frequently as you? At least that way the cops would be avoiding "profiling". Viva la Capitulation!!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:44 am    Post subject: Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The elitism of the French is renowned world wide. Race has very little to do with it. The less Quebcois you are, the less you're welcomed.

Which is the true irony of Quebec politics. They alienated all English speaking Quebecers (my family being one, I was born in Montreal) and to fill the void from the exodus they enabled an open door immigration policy bring in boat loads of people that were not only not French, but not white and not even Catholic (a big deal to the Quebecois)

The future of Quebec is far from certain
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:49 am    Post subject: Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Fishman wrote:
it's those terrible cops and not those nice gang members that are the problem.

In this case, yes it is. Montreal police are routinely the subject of complains of excessive force, racism and the use of agent provocateurs. It's well documented. They are a complete disgrace.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:20 pm    Post subject: Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Rioting is nothing new in Montreal. If it's not playoff hockey games, it's rock concerts, or students who don't liek the latest tuition increase. It's a regular part of the summers in Montreal. It's how they have fun, it seems.

The city police in Montreal, and the Surete de Quebec are notoriously violent, and tough. But so are the citizens.

Montreal can be a crazy place, I am not sure it has much to do with a shooting in Laval, or the north end. Might have been a simple excuse to go on a rampage, which is the summer pastime for much of Montreal's youth. Rich, poor, or middle-class.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:23 am    Post subject: Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

FoxV wrote:
The elitism of the French is renowned world wide. Race has very little to do with it. The less Quebcois you are, the less you're welcomed.
Which is the true irony of Quebec politics. They alienated all English speaking Quebecers (my family being one, I was born in Montreal) and to fill the void from the exodus they enabled an open door immigration policy bring in boat loads of people that were not only not French, but not white and not even Catholic (a big deal to the Quebecois)
The future of Quebec is far from certain

Quebec's kind of between a rock and a self-imposed hard place. They're all wound up in the fact that demographically, they need to maintain their numbers relative to the sea of English-speakers in North America, or they're likely to be absorbed over time like, say, the Irish or the Welsh. But they have one of the lowest birthrates in the world. So, they need to import other francophones. But FoxV's right, there's a real streak of tribalism in Quebecois life that's largely been eroded in English Canada. For them, it's important that you have ancestors who were here for loss at the Plains of Abraham. Really, it's vital to be white and to hail from France. I don't mean that everyone in Quebec is a bigot and unaccepting of others, but I do think it's harder to belong there if you're not "pure wool", as they say there. It's kind of disappointing, because they're a lot cooler and more easy-going than us in a lot of other ways.

So this it the problem for Quebec: not enough babies, so they need to import other French-speakers, but in this modern world, they're mostly coming from former French colonies (read: they're not "white"), not France... and that still kind of matters. So we're bound to see the sons of immigrants feel alienated in Quebec in a way they probably don't elsewhere in North America, until there's a sea change in the attitude of Quebecois towards inclusiveness.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:14 am    Post subject: Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

So does that mean we scratch Canada off the list of peak oil bugout countries or just the french parts?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:02 am    Post subject: Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

montreal has seen worse days. Remember the Quebec Bikers War back in the 90s? The Hells Angels and the Rock Machine turned Montreal into a war zone. It was the most violent city in Canada. After the outlaw bikers were put in jail or run out of town killings dropped considerably.
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