WSJ: Ditching Oil, Converting to Gas (home heating)

OilFinder2

Looks like all those Marcellus Shale drillers are gonna be busy.

More oil demand destruction, too.

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joeltrout · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Sep 19, 2007 Posts: 1317

I agree the Marcellus Shale could be a major player in the Northeast heating situation.

That and the Rocky Mountain Express pipeline.

joeltrout

JoeW

heating oil has dropped by about a dollar on the nymex since july 1. i hope a lot of people switch to other fuels so that i can afford heating oil this winter.

gnm

I switched to large scale solar thermal and passive solar with a wood stove for backup. The solar is scaled to handle 100% of need but a few days of darkness/snow in a row could cool things off a bit. Why would anyone pay lots of money to shift to another fuel which you have to pay for?

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MarkJ · Heavy Crude Joined: Mar 25, 2008 Posts: 231

When we perform an oil-to-gas burner, boiler or furnace conversion, we generally eliminate the electric hot water heater as well which increases natural gas demand.

We perform quite a few electric baseboard to natural gas conversions as well. Once people hook up to the natural gas main, they often use gas ranges, cook-tops, dryers, water heaters, pool heaters or heat additional zones like garages as well.

Since natural gas is relatively cheap, people tend to keep thermostat settings higher, hot water temperatures higher, take longer showers and they're not as concerned about building envelope improvements and net system efficiency as our heating oil, kerosene and propane customers.

dirthoser · Tar Sands Joined: Aug 12, 2008 Posts: 26

Anyone using heating oil to heat their house has a screw loose.

Electricity is much cheaper in most places, it is made from COAL.

If you buy a heat pump you can heat your house for a third of the cost of electricty

exampl 1 gallon propane costs $2.77 for 100,000 Btu
electricity for that would cost $1.77
and heat pump for that would cost 60 cents.

We bought three heat pumps at home depot ro 600 dollars each, can heat a 2000 square foot house easily for a third of the electric bbill.

if you live in apartment just always leave your lights on.
lights make 100% heat, and it saves a lot on oil heat.

just turn all your lights on, you will save way more on oil or propane heat that way. you have to be less than 14 cents KWH to do this.

no matter what your electric costs are, even if they are 30 cents a kilowatt hour, heat pump is the cheapest.

Kingcoal

Gas is a better alternative to oil for the time being, IMO, but it isn't a "final solution," though I doubt any rational person here would think it is.

IMO, I feel that ultimately, the electric powered home is the future, though for now, we have our intern choices. If you have done investigation on how the PTB want you to go, it is always with something that uses a consumable; preferably a material consumable because it's distribution can be finely controlled. This is the hoopla over the "hydrogen powered economy." The PTB are always trying to construct an "economy" out of anything and everything. The simplest form of economy is simply one on one contracts. The PTB want their take in every single contract formed, trying to turn every single contract into a public contract and subject to public regulation. That in a nutshell is the traditional view of of what an economy "has to be." This traditional paradigm is one of centralized control, one where a control grid is established and implemented for the benefit ultimately of those at the top of the pyramid. Purhaps they feel that this is the way things need to be done because the people can't be trusted and any other system would degenerate into anarchy.

So yes, currently, NG is a better alternative than oil. Like I said, electricity holds the promise of the power of the future. The PTB have never liked that however. According to several sources, just before his "death," Nicola Tesla displayed a discovery to JP Morgan which demonstrated a way to transmit electricity wirelessly using Maxwell's largely unpublished equations for Scalar Fields. Purportedly, Morgan scoffed at the technology saying; "How do you meter it? What about the copper wire industry? You'll put them under. What about the logging industry (telephone poles,) you'll put them under." What Morgan was saying to Tesla is "fogetaboutit" and bury it for your own good. After Tesla "died," government agents came to his home and confiscated all his papers. That is a fact, it has been verified long ago. It makes you wonder about what things otherwise would have been like if Tesla's discovery would have been brought into the mainstream. We'd be in a completely different and better world now assuming that we wouldn't have destroyed ourselves. Instead, the technology was taken by the government and what they've done with it, if anything, is open to fascinating speculation because they haven't shared anything with the public.
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MarkJ · Heavy Crude Joined: Mar 25, 2008 Posts: 231

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MarkJ · Heavy Crude Joined: Mar 25, 2008 Posts: 231