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mattduke Light Sweet Crude


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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: APMEX Reports Gold/Silver Shortages. Products Unavailable |
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| Quote: | You may have noticed a significant number of products on the APMEX.com website are listed as “Out of Stock” right now. This stock shortage coincides with a low price for the precious metals we provide investors and collectors across the nation.
Most, if not all, dealers are experiencing temporary shortages right now. This blog post will address the conditions leading up to this shortage situation, help to ease your concerns and provide you with great alternative products for you to take advantage of the current low price market. |
Completely out of Krugerrands and Silver Eagles.
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Twilight Expert


Joined: Mar 02, 2007 Posts: 3076 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: APMEX Reports Gold/Silver Shortages. Products Unavailab |
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They do not sell what they do not have. Maybe they do not sell low what they bought high either? I do not know what their stock turnaround time is, but that price move was a real cliff. _________________ Volatility. When life isn't exciting enough. |
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Falconoffury Expert


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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: APMEX Reports Gold/Silver Shortages. Products Unavailab |
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I don't know about you guys, but silver just hit my buy point. You can lock in prices at www.bulliondirect.com.
The price fixing will not hold up for much longer. _________________ "If humans don't control their numbers, nature will." -Pimentel
"There is not enough trash to go around for everyone," said Banrel, one of the participants in the cattle massacre.
"George W. Bush loves poor people. He keeps making more of them." -unkn |
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Roccland Peak Oil Prophet

Joined: Jun 16, 2007 Posts: 1696
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: APMEX Reports Gold/Silver Shortages. Products Unavailab |
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APMEX probably does not want to take a loss on the gold they bought at $950.
So they tell you they are out. _________________ 500 MPH into a brick wall - me |
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mattduke Light Sweet Crude


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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: APMEX Reports Gold/Silver Shortages. Products Unavailab |
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| Roccland wrote: | APMEX probably does not want to take a loss on the gold they bought at $950.
So they tell you they are out. |
Even mom and pop coin stores are hedged. Dealers make their money on the spread. |
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Falconoffury Expert


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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: APMEX Reports Gold/Silver Shortages. Products Unavailab |
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Wow, silver just dropped like a stone in the past 30 minutes. It's at $13.25 now. _________________ "If humans don't control their numbers, nature will." -Pimentel
"There is not enough trash to go around for everyone," said Banrel, one of the participants in the cattle massacre.
"George W. Bush loves poor people. He keeps making more of them." -unkn |
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firestarter Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Mar 19, 2006 Posts: 1181
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: APMEX Reports Gold/Silver Shortages. Products Unavailab |
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Silver is $12.15 as I peck this. _________________ Civilization: the biosphere's skin disease |
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35Kas Tar Sands


Joined: Feb 04, 2008 Posts: 76
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: APMEX Reports Gold/Silver Shortages. Products Unavailab |
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| ...And yet they seem to be out. Seems like a contradiction of supply and demand. |
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Arsenal Heavy Crude


Joined: Mar 18, 2008 Posts: 466 Location: Upstate New York
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: APMEX Reports Gold/Silver Shortages. Products Unavailab |
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I just bought 10 1oz Silver Eagles and a 10oz silver bar from APMEX so we will see when it arrives. I have been putting about $400-800 a month towards something PO related and silver was just looking too good.
Arsenal.
Next month... More Ammo.  |
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mattduke Light Sweet Crude


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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: APMEX Reports Gold/Silver Shortages. Products Unavailab |
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US mint suspends sales of gold eagles.
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smallpoxgirl Moderator


Joined: Nov 08, 2004 Posts: 6478
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: APMEX Reports Gold/Silver Shortages. Products Unavailab |
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I wonder if it's related to minting capacity. Clearly APMEX could place an order on NYMEX for however much gold they want and take physical delivery. They couldn't get eagles or Krugerands that way, but they could make their house brand rounds.
There's no reason that selling at this price should be a particular problem for them either. Whatever they sell they can easily hedge in the spot or futures markets. _________________ "We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS |
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Jotapay Intermediate Crude


Joined: Jun 21, 2008 Posts: 674
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: APMEX Reports Gold/Silver Shortages. Products Unavailab |
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| smallpoxgirl wrote: | | There's no reason that selling at this price should be a particular problem for them either. Whatever they sell they can easily hedge in the spot or futures markets. |
Unless....
Personally, in the past few weeks I have become a firm believer in serious manipulation of the PM, especially silver, markets. Prices are seriously out of whack in regards to physical supply.
Maybe I should buy some options contracts and see if I can actually take delivery. |
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smallpoxgirl Moderator


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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: Re: APMEX Reports Gold/Silver Shortages. Products Unavailab |
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| Jotapay wrote: | | Maybe I should buy some options contracts and see if I can actually take delivery. |
I think if people were welshing on their options contracts, someone would be talking about it. Unless your an awfully big player, I suspect one contract would be adequate. The NYMEX contract is for 5,000 ounces.
I wonder if part of this is banks lending out more of their reserves to try to generate cashflow? The fact that the lease rates are in the red is a good indication that they're lent out to the max. The other thing they could be doing that would cause this is if they were shorting metals without hedging. Typically when a bank sells metals as part of a metal lease, it would buy a hedging contract to rebuy the metals at a future date. It creates more contango in the market, but it doesn't affect the overall price. If they were desperate for cash and were either hedging incompletely or not at all, then that would certainly drive the market down. _________________ "We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS |
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bromius Heavy Crude


Joined: May 26, 2008 Posts: 143
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject: Re: APMEX Reports Gold/Silver Shortages. Products Unavailab |
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I've got a little extra cash I was thinking about converting to silver coin for a rainy day. Is APMEX a good company to deal with for buying such things? I've been to their website and it looks like they do sell physical coins, just wondering about their reputation. Was thinking about getting some silver eagles. Any other sites that people prefer? Is this the best way to buy coins or are there other types that would work as well for long term value storage?
Pardon my ignorance... trying to do some background research before asking, but school is also keeping me very busy with reading... |
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Dreamtwister Fission


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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:22 am Post subject: Re: APMEX Reports Gold/Silver Shortages. Products Unavailab |
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| Quote: | So, to save time, he handily condenses the relevant statistics by saying, "Estimates on 'above ground' silver, in refined, deliverable form have ranged from 300 million ounces to 1 billion ounces
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Then, as I suggest, combine all that with an estimated billion ounces of silver sold naked short (the actual silver doesn't exist) in "paper silver" transactions, plus what Mr. Cook calls a "runaway market when the short sellers on the commodity exchanges are trying to cover, and the nonexistent silver in pool accounts is being bought back," with huge additional demand coming from "shell-shocked industrial users, attempting to stockpile silver to keep their doors open, and inflation-ravaged investors pouring in as the price rises", and suddenly the case for buying silver now is compelling!
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Now I'll admit that I'm no Paul Volker, but that looks to me like somwhere between 50-77% of the silver on the market doesn't actually exist... _________________ The whole of human history is a refutation by experiment of the concept of "moral world order". - Friedrich Nietzsche |
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