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idiom

Oh, Ron Paul crops up again:

US Politician predicted Georgia Conflict Back in 2002

nobodypanic · Intermediate Crude Joined: Jun 02, 2008 Posts: 620

idiom

Welcome to the Empire Poland.

Wow that was easy.

evgeny · Heavy Crude Joined: Aug 11, 2008 Posts: 303

In this simple chronicle, there is something quite mysterious: Why did the Georgians choose to invade South Ossetia on Thursday night? There had been a great deal of shelling by the South Ossetians of Georgian villages for the previous three nights, but while possibly more intense than usual, artillery exchanges were routine. The Georgians might not have fought well, but they committed fairly substantial forces that must have taken at the very least several days to deploy and supply. Georgia’s move was deliberate.

The United States is Georgia’s closest ally. It maintained about 130 military advisers in Georgia, along with civilian advisers, contractors involved in all aspects of the Georgian government and people doing business in Georgia. It is inconceivable that the Americans were unaware of Georgia’s mobilization and intentions. It is also inconceivable that the Americans were unaware that the Russians had deployed substantial forces on the South Ossetian frontier. U.S. technical intelligence, from satellite imagery and signals intelligence to unmanned aerial vehicles, could not miss the fact that thousands of Russian troops were moving to forward positions. The Russians clearly knew the Georgians were ready to move. How could the United States not be aware of the Russians? Indeed, given the posture of Russian troops, how could intelligence analysts have missed the possibility that the Russians had laid a trap, hoping for a Georgian invasion to justify its own counterattack?

It is very difficult to imagine that the Georgians launched their attack against U.S. wishes. The Georgians rely on the United States, and they were in no position to defy it. This leaves two possibilities. The first is a massive breakdown in intelligence, in which the United States either was unaware of the existence of Russian forces, or knew of the Russian forces but — along with the Georgians — miscalculated Russia’s intentions. The second is that the United States, along with other countries, has viewed Russia through the prism of the 1990s, when the Russian military was in shambles and the Russian government was paralyzed. The United States has not seen Russia make a decisive military move beyond its borders since the Afghan war of the 1970s-1980s. The Russians had systematically avoided such moves for years. The United States had assumed that the Russians would not risk the consequences of an invasion.

If this was the case, then it points to the central reality of this situation: The Russians had changed dramatically, along with the balance of power in the region. They welcomed the opportunity to drive home the new reality, which was that they could invade Georgia and the United States and Europe could not respond. As for risk, they did not view the invasion as risky. Militarily, there was no counter. Economically, Russia is an energy exporter doing quite well — indeed, the Europeans need Russian energy even more than the Russians need to sell it to them. Politically, as we shall see, the Americans needed the Russians more than the Russians needed the Americans. Moscow’s calculus was that this was the moment to strike. The Russians had been building up to it for months, as we have discussed, and they struck.

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/russo_georgian_war_and_balance_power

Specop_007 · Expert Joined: Aug 12, 2004 Posts: 6286

Russia just put a healthy dose of fear in all the other surrounding countries. I have a feeling the missile shield deal is going to be just the start.

Looks like we could very well be looking at the next Cold War.
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newman1979 · Heavy Crude Joined: Sep 25, 2006 Posts: 105

The failures of Rice, Gates, Bush, and Cheney in this fiasco demonstrates the complete incompetence of this Administration. As our national debt approaches $10 trillion, the trade deficit running a negative $800 billion a year, Kuwait, UAE and Iran leaving the petrodollar, and two problematic wars, it was shear folly to let Georgia invade S. Ossetia on August 7-8. To ignore or worse, cover up, the Georgian invasion, only destroys the Country's credibility, such as it is. This Russian response gives all Russia a new vigor and status to deal with encroachments to its sphere of influence.
The failure of this Administration to be ideologues and not realists, (seeing the Russian response) has cost this Country dearly.

Roccland · Peak Oil Prophet Joined: Jun 16, 2007 Posts: 1696

evgeny · Heavy Crude Joined: Aug 11, 2008 Posts: 303

In reality, in the process of settling the situation in Georgia, among others, including Turkey, informs "RBC daily". The other day came to Moscow, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, who has already met with Dmitry Medvedev and Vladimir Putin. The head of the Turkish Government has expressed support for the actions of Russia, and also stated that Turkey is interested in stability in the Caucasus, through which enters the main flow of energy. In addition, Erdogan did not hide the fact that Ankara irritated U.S., destabilize the region. "I came to show solidarity with Turkey, Russia," - Prime, referring to Medvedev. The situation in Ossetia, Erdogan stressed, "allows a new angle to look at the relations between our countries, solidarity between which is of great importance for the entire region."

GeneralGreen

U.S. President Bush: Georgia's sovereignty and territorial integrity must be respected.
He sounded pretty firm...
Also Congo Lisa is in Georgia ...lets see if teh Georgians and Russians agree on the terms...

jbrovont · Intermediate Crude Joined: Jun 16, 2006 Posts: 701

OMG Lolling! Not at what you're saying General, but the way you say it. There's a reason I read this board first thing in the morning! Who need coffee? Smile

Anyway, seems like a good day so far - especially since this thread wasn't on top when I opened up PO. 'morning guys!

dorlomin · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Aug 05, 2007 Posts: 1151

Roccland · Peak Oil Prophet Joined: Jun 16, 2007 Posts: 1696

Roccland · Peak Oil Prophet Joined: Jun 16, 2007 Posts: 1696

Rank and file Americans, the entire world, may be sick of war and deception, but fear of a mightily-armed Russia -- a true, living superpower adversary that actually dropped bombs and rolled in tanks -- could do the trick in a way that 9/11 and phantom terrorists did not.

dirthoser · Tar Sands Joined: Aug 12, 2008 Posts: 26

1. War is a racket.(Like mafia, elite group activity. A very few get very rich,
2. The average joe gets poor and more heavily taxed.
3. Rules change for the elitee faor
4. More rights are always taken away
5. Population is always redduced.

It is the most desireable way to do things, that is why there is always a war. somewhere. And there always will be until peak oil removes the elite which is very soon. All wars were started, and for the same reason. And they will continue to be started as needed.

Easy to start a war, send a couple thousand contractors in to shoot up a country and slaughter and rape innocents and this is kept quiet, the backlash is splashed all over the news media
"are we going to let them get away with this? The answer is not to get upset, the answer is to vote for Obama and remove neocons.
Pass it on.