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nobodypanic
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 Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Poland-USA sign anti-missile treaty |
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| Roccland wrote: | | nobodypanic wrote: | | Roccland wrote: | Looky here PA - your myopic view of the world is shattering.
| Quote: | Russian support for Iran sanctions at risk amid Georgia rift
The US bid to promote a fourth round of sanctions may get lost amid sharp dispute over Russian military action in Georgia. |
link Hmmmm...you think the bad ass paper tiger is gonna go it alone without rusky support. Gee...PA - looks like you just cannot see the forest through the trees. |
so we blockade iran. what are they going to do? |
Would be an illegal act of war if Russia vetos.Nothing new for Bushco... Just say'n. |
 right. essentially, screw russia; we can bring iran to her knees w/o them. of course, i am not too sure about the wisdom of the whole operation myself, but then i am not in the oval office. |
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Roccland
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: Poland-USA sign anti-missile treaty |
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| nobodypanic wrote: | | right. essentially, screw russia; we can bring iran to her knees w/o them. |
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nobodypanic
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Poland-USA sign anti-missile treaty |
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| Roccland wrote: | | nobodypanic wrote: | | right. essentially, screw russia; we can bring iran to her knees w/o them. |
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yes really. i mean how many examples of the US use of strategic air power to destroy a nation's infrastructure/economy/ability to resist do you have to see? |
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Roccland
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Poland-USA sign anti-missile treaty |
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| nobodypanic wrote: | | yes really. i mean how many examples of the US use of strategic air power to destroy a nation's infrastructure/economy/ability to resist do you have to see? |
name one
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nobodypanic
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Poland-USA sign anti-missile treaty |
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| Roccland wrote: | | nobodypanic wrote: | | yes really. i mean how many examples of the US use of strategic air power to destroy a nation's infrastructure/economy/ability to resist do you have to see? |
name one |
germany, japan, gulf i, serbia, gulf ii
edit: forgot one: afghanistan. |
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Roccland
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: Poland-USA sign anti-missile treaty |
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| nobodypanic wrote: | | Roccland wrote: | | nobodypanic wrote: | | yes really. i mean how many examples of the US use of strategic air power to destroy a nation's infrastructure/economy/ability to resist do you have to see? |
name one |
germany, japan, gulf i, serbia, gulf ii |
"ability to risist" that takes out G I and II
Japan - by nucs alone - I guess vaporizing women and children speaks volumes of our country
Germany - hmmmm- who helped us out again...one guess. That leaves Serbia...
Ok - you named one. Guess we are just gonna find out who is brought to their knees.
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Roccland
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: Poland-USA sign anti-missile treaty |
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| nobodypanic wrote: | | edit: forgot one: afghanistan. |
again "ability to resist" - your words... afghan does not count.
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nobodypanic
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: Poland-USA sign anti-missile treaty |
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| Roccland wrote: | "ability to risist" that takes out G I and II
Japan - by nucs alone - I guess vaporizing women and children speaks volumes of our country
Germany - hmmmm- who helped us out again...one guess
That leaves Serbia... Ok - you named one. Guess we are just gonna find out who is brought to their knees. |
gulf i: saddam was crushed. we could have advanced to the capital and ended it then.
gulf ii: same thing. all conventional forces' ability to resist utterly broken. ground war of lightening proportions. game over.
germany: we helped them out. w/o us, they wouldn't be speaking russian right now. the strategic bombing campaign helped gut hitler's war effort and destroy his economy. our logistical support kept the russians in the game.
japan: we didn't need those nukes--those just ended the war sooner.
we can bomb iran back into the stone age if we wanted w/o the use of nukes, crippling her for decades. |
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nobodypanic
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: Poland-USA sign anti-missile treaty |
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| Roccland wrote: | | nobodypanic wrote: | | edit: forgot one: afghanistan. |
again "ability to resist" - your words...afghan does not count. |
the air campaign wrecked the ruling regime and overthrew the state. they had no ability to stop it.
the problem from there on out lies w/the occupation portion of the operation. |
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SILENTTODD
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: Poland-USA sign anti-missile treaty |
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Why is the United States still in Europe? Most of these countries are rich and self contained.
Two of them Britain and France have more than enough nuclear weapons to respond to any aggressor or blackmail
Write your Congress person and Senators and demand "Out of Europe" (and everywhere else!) Now!
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mos6507
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: Poland-USA sign anti-missile treaty |
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| SILENTTODD wrote: | | Why is the United States still in Europe? Most of these countries are rich and self contained. |
Some would say they were able to become rich welfare-states by offloading the expense of military protection to the US.
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idiom
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:24 am Post subject: Re: Poland-USA sign anti-missile treaty |
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Lol. Do you think Iran is going to dig trenches in the desert and try to stop an invasion?
An Air Campaign is an attack on America. You are attacking yourselves by attacking your credit and your currency. |
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EnergyUnlimited
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:32 am Post subject: Re: Poland-USA sign anti-missile treaty |
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It is far from clear, will US actually build that ABM system in Poland or not:
1. Administration of US will in all probabilities change within few months.
2. US Congress is not enthusiastic towards that project.
3. Reliable interceptor missiles technology is not there yet.
4. US is facing increasing financial difficulties right now (some are saying that US is technically bankrupt).
5. Project may disrupt workings of NATO (apparently Poland got some better deal than general security arrangements in NATO) Does that mean that NATO is slowly becoming obsolete?
6. Germans are not enthusiastic towards this project and they appear to be in good relations with Russia.
It is possible for Germans to cooperate with Russians and aim to derail progress of project.
7. There is widespread dissentiment towards that project in Poland itself.
8. Poland will face cold winters and all sort of trade difficulties as a result and US will not be in position to mitigate that.
9. It is likely that Russia will proceed with further military moves in short term future. East Ukraine comes to mind.
There will be also direct military threats against Poland itself.
10. Russia may make it clear to US that efforts to undermine Russia's counterstrike ability will result in certainty of atomic war before US ABM defense infrastructure is ready to task.
So I think Americans will think twice before building these installations. All may end up like Cuban crisis did. |
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dorlomin
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:32 am Post subject: Re: Poland-USA sign anti-missile treaty |
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| idiom wrote: | | If You get your Oil from Russia, you are already part of the Soviet Bloc. You just don't know it yet. |
You mean gas, oil is fungable. Russia shutting down its oil will just create a bidding war with everyone in the world for the oil thats still on the market. |
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dorlomin
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Poland-USA sign anti-missile treaty |
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I think some of the keyboard Zhukov's need to look at a globe. Poland is not a bad place to intercept missiles headed for the US east coast from Iran. Christ alone knows who thinks it is in any way feasible to intercept missiles from East Siberia or the Kara Sea headed towards the US from Poland.
This is not aimed at a US\ Russia confrontation. (there are other legitimate questions about the ABM concept and base however.)
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