Manufactured conflict to give McCain points

ProudFossil · Heavy Crude Joined: May 26, 2008 Posts: 101

And the possibility that a probable rumour about the implication that there might have been some type of hidden agenda with unknown accomplishes who were reported to have been seen walking on the planet sometime in the recent past could cause one to wonder about the capability of a presidential candidate gives one reason to believe that if this happening was such that it might happen to be true,

Then it is just probable that the Messiah candidate does not stand very tall in the defense of our nation in the eyes of many people. Else this type of story would never even get started.

Fishman

The conspiracy nuts HAVE TO advance this idea. To actually admit that things are not in the Neocons control is a complete invalidation of all their viewpoints. Liberals are always suprised at world events, conservatives usually expect them to happen in some sort. So if anything goes bad internationally " the neocons cooked it up to make our candidate look bad". Unfortunately Obama is coming across as a clueless wuss, just as the right had already expected, not caused.

mos6507

nero

I'm no conspiracy nut but I do think there is a possibility that Georgia received a wink and a nod from some people connected with the Republican party. McCain and his advisors had, motive and opportunity, but I'm not sure they had the means to convince Saakashvili. Probably Saakashvili is just a particularly incompetent geopolitical player.

I think it is improbable that anybody intentionally misled the Georgians for purely domestic political gain, there is some possibility in my mind, however, that it might have been in the mix of motives for the resulting wink and nod. It wouldn't have crossed my mind 8 years ago because I hadn't discovered how dirty American politics can get. After the Florida vote fiasco, evidence of caging lists and the political prosecution of Spiegalman, where exactly do political operatives draw the line?
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GeneralGreen

I doubt John McCain will win in Nov...this is like Dole VS Clinton in 1996 find some old Joe....McCain is near 78 years old pre=oil age most men "like 99% " never even seen that age...even rich and powerful like, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.
John McCain with his old age and ill health could be like William Henry Harrison....Harrison also was older and died due to health problems only 28 days after he got inaugurated.
I am surprised the Republicans fielded such and old guy..I mean most of the VP candidates are much better and would have a better chance then McCain.
Also this nation is tired of War..Heres a good piece by Ruppert as of late>
Wednesday, August 13, 2008

This nation is tired of war.

It will not mobilize behind John McCain to go into another one, in another country it has never heard of, for reasons it cannot understand. If that is the Neocon strategy they are hopelessly bankrupt. That's why Bush/Cheney are pushing ahead on the road toward military confrontation now. We can expect maybe a MACG: MilitaryAssistance Command Georgia, just like Vietnam. It may even rate a four-star. But that will break this nation's back even before it gets entrenched. Vietnam was the U.S. v. a Russian surrogate. This is head to head, beer v. vodka. There's no cushion.

Georgia benefits Obama more than McCain because he'll have the political sense to say just that. "We've done the military thing for eight years and we're tired. We have resorted to brute force instead of common sense. We tired of that. We risk a global nuclear confrontation without attempting a serious dialogue and adopting aposture that says to the world 'It's not us vs. you. It's us with you.'"

In that way America's eventual capitulation can be camouflaged.

But with US military en route, the chances of a trigger being pulled,U.S. v. Russia, increases exponentially. (Suggest a movie called "TheBedford Incident" with Richard Widmark and Sidney Poitier). The progressives are a day late, a dollar short and way off the mark as usual. The press is saying McCain is more hawkish on Russia than Bush. That's got to be scaring the crap out of folks in Iowa. Even they are educated enough to know that Russia is not Saddam Hussein.

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Plantagenet

Do the people who think it is logical to blame the Georgians for the Russian invasion of Georgia also blame rape victims for the attack of the rapist?

AlexdeLarge

nero

Plantagenet, I think the economist has it about right. This war was planned by Russia but Georgia very stupidly gave them the excuse.

I think the better analogy than rape is the schoolyard bully and the scrawny geek. The geek knows that there are certain things that you don't do unless you want to get a pounding, one of them is retaliating when provoked. The US is like the cool kid who feeling sorry for the geek tells him "you need to stand up for yourself" and teaches the geek a few moves. The result is predictable.
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dinopello

Here's what Vasil Sikharulidze, the Georgian Ambassador to the U.S. says (in response to questions):

AlexdeLarge

He refers to the Rose revolution in Georgia, the Orange revolution of the Ukraine when they bloodlessly broke free of Russian control.

"Russia's President Putin commented in a news conference (23 December 2004) during the Orange Revolution: "It’s extremely dangerous trying to resolve political problems outside the framework of the law — first the ‘Rose Revolution’, then they’ll think up of something like blue." [2] (Putin puns here on the word blue, which, in Russian, is colloquial for "homosexual".)"

He may also refer to the Velvet Revolution of Czechoslovakia.
The "Velvet Revolution" was successfully completed with the departure of the last Soviet troops in May, 1991, and a free parliamentary election in June, 1992.

Putin is KGB pig.................never forget.
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Fishman

There is actual numerous thing the US and can do to put the heat on Russia. Including the Ukraine into NATO would be a devastating blow to Russia. Abandoning the G8 and boycotting the 2014 Olympics are also actions that hurt Russia. Makes perfectly good sense for Poland to get those missiles now. Much harder to invade Poland if you can't get air superiority.
Nero
You analogy of the bully is somewhat appropriate. The rest of the kids see how bad the bully acts, and may come around to figuring out your"cool kid " is not the problem

Plantagenet