Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:27 am Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Trees
First Fruits.
The orchard is in its third year and we're getting some fruit. Here is a picture of our earliest apples. They come from a Russian apple tree named the Lubsk Queen. The apples are nearly white with a slight pink flush and the flesh is a beautiful white with a light sweet flavor.
The peaches are coming on but won't be ripe for another week. I'll post some pictures at that time. We've also got plums and other apples coming along, however some won't be ripe until September and some even as late as October.
This years crop is completely chemical free; I didn't even use dormant spray last winter. Almost no bug damage so far. _________________ "Modern Agriculture is the use of land to convert petroleum into food."
-- Albert Bartlett
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Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6625 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Trees
Yeah, apples. Now THERE'S a fruit worth growing, if you can.
I know how to do it, now. Belgian fence with tulle sheets hanging to either side. That's the secret, for folks in marginal apple country. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
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Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 13191 Location: naive idiot fantasy world
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Trees
Heineken wrote:
Yeah, apples. Now THERE'S a fruit worth growing, if you can.
I know how to do it, now. Belgian fence with tulle sheets hanging to either side. That's the secret, for folks in marginal apple country.
Are you going to try that method now, H? I hope so! I know you said you gave up on your apples before. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Trees
I'm looking forward to planting some trees. Either in fall or spring, according to the nursery directions, I will plant a couple of apples, a peach, a cherry, and fig. Berries also. My neighbor has a sour cherry that I got fruit from and I saved a pit and am trying to grow it. They propagate fairly easily, but it needs cold. I'll let it sit out all winter and hopefully will get a seedling in spring. I can't wait!
Joined: Sep 16, 2004 Posts: 4927 Location: Southwest WI
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Trees
You can also throw it in a baggie wrapped in wet paper towel and toss it in the refrigerator. In early March, start watching for sproutage.
MY only peaches, 3 of them! are almost ripe. Only 3 trees for next year Although i do have at least 10 plums coloring up. _________________ Clothing should be optional.
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6625 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Trees
Ludi wrote:
Heineken wrote:
Yeah, apples. Now THERE'S a fruit worth growing, if you can.
I know how to do it, now. Belgian fence with tulle sheets hanging to either side. That's the secret, for folks in marginal apple country.
Are you going to try that method now, H? I hope so! I know you said you gave up on your apples before.
Yes, I think so, Ludi.
Over the winter I'll build the frame for the Belgian fence. In spring I'll plant about six dwarf apples along it, spaced every couple of feet (I have to research this more and plan it out, of course). Then it's a matter of training, pinching, and pruning (easier said than done, no doubt). The tulle is so lightweight the apples won't even know it's there. I won't even have to build a frame for it---it will already be there! I'll just let it hang down and place a few 2 x 4s on it where it rests on the ground.
Eventually the apple trees literally graft themselves together into a living "fence" that, theoretically at least, produces mucho fruit (since the trees are two-dimensional, the fruit-growing apparatus is bathed in extra light, which is a big plus).
By the way, I've stated this on the JB thread, but I've found the emerald green tulle from PaperMart lasts vastly longer than the white tulle (the same may apply to other colors, I don't know). It seems to be sufficiently UV-stable to handle the duration of one JB season, and beyond. I don't understand why this is so---you'd think the colored tulle would absorb more light and therefore break down faster, right?
It wouldn't take much tulle to cover both sides of a twelve-foot Belgian fence. This is quite affordable.
An advantage of the tulle, beyond protection against bugs, would be providing slightly cooler temps and preventing sun scald.
As I see it, it's all about control. The more control you can exert over a food plant and the conditions in which it lives, the greater your chance of success. The Belgian fence/tulle system appeals to me because it provides a very high level of control without being impractical. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Trees
Anyone know anything about pecan trees?
We just lost our entire harvest thanks to Ike. I don't think there is a single pecan left on the tree. They normally drop around Thanksgiving. If I leave the pecans laying on the ground, will they ripen normally? Or should I just rake them up and be done with it?
Awesome. Thanks for the links. I've got a few babies growing, but to have a few bear in a few years would be wonderful - I have never tasted one, and to have the first one be grown on my own property would be nice. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Posts: 1137 Location: Central Texas
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:28 am Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Trees
Scout wrote:
Anyone know anything about pecan trees?
We just lost our entire harvest thanks to Ike. I don't think there is a single pecan left on the tree. They normally drop around Thanksgiving. If I leave the pecans laying on the ground, will they ripen normally? Or should I just rake them up and be done with it?
Any pecans that were blown off are history. The fruit hadn't fully formed in the nut in September. Compost them or leave them for animals.
My pecan yield this year will be essentially zero due to the drought. I've counted only a couple dozen nuts among seven trees. I have a few lbs of shelled pecans in the freezer from last year's harvest. _________________ About my avatar: Guess.
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Although i do have at least 10 plums coloring up.
