Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:27 pm Post subject: Tough pants suggestions
I was hoping to gather ideas and suggestions for tough pants.
jeans are thought to be "tough" but most of them fizzle after a little wear and tear. I have several pair of old navy basic pants which are meant for office/casual wear, and they have beaten the snot out of most jeans I've had.
Is it the fiber? the weave? the manufacturer? A combo of all those factors? Thanks for your pick of tough pants.
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:29 am Post subject: Re: Tough pants suggestions
zeke, Original Levi's, Wrangler's, and Lee jeans. None of the stone washed , stylized cuts, or pre-washed/pre-shrunk (pre-worn-out) stuff. The other crucial factor is NEVER is a clothes dryer on them. It's a short trip to the trash. Denim is made of cotton (maybe a bit of synthetic in it). When cotton gets dry it gets brittle, and the dryer pummels the heck out it, breaking fibers. Look in the lint filter-that's your clothing in there! Dry them on a line. Yup, they'll be stiff as a board. If you want'em to last, get used to it.
I run a welding and machine shop, and climb all over farm machinery all day. Good quality cotton jeans are the only thing that works for me. Some synthetics may be tougher, but have the downside that if a blob of molten metal hits it, it MELTS, and sticks to you. Third degree burn guaranteed. No thanks, I'll stick with cotton, which is also cooler in summer and warmer in winter than synthetics. _________________ Local fix-it guy..
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:35 am Post subject: Re: Tough pants suggestions
Carhartt brand jeans are some of the best. They are made with heavier denim called duck and you can get them with doubled fabric in the areas that wear more like the knees and the front of the thighs. All is riveted together for nearly indestructible work wear. You can get them HERE
I second what Patience says about washing as well. I wash in cold water and hang them on the line. They’re stiff when you first put them on but they loosen up quickly enough. _________________ "Modern Agriculture is the use of land to convert petroleum into food."
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:37 am Post subject: Re: Tough pants suggestions
I had two pairs of Carthart logger's jeans (with the doubled layers over the front) and was disappointed at how fast they wore out (in about a year for the two of them). But then, they were dried in a dryer, because my companion does all the laundry and I can't seem to get him to use the laundry line I put up.
One of the best pairs of jeans I ever had were those cheap cheesy Rustler jeans, of all things. They lasted and lasted and were quite comfortable too. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Tough pants suggestions
You might check into caving pants or rock climbing pants. Usually can find the latter at places like REI. They have a lot of durable varieties....
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I've never worn them, and they're hella expensive, but I thought it was a cute clip anyway. _________________ "We were standing on the edges
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Tough pants suggestions
gnm wrote:
Usually can find the latter at places like REI.
-G
If you shope REI find out when they are having their yard sales. They have HUGE reductions. They usually have them every other month.
I have bought several jackets & pants, North Face, Marmot, Cloudveil, etc... each for under $30.
REI has an awesome return policy (but not on the yardsale) which allows customers to return any product. REI cannot sell the product and they do not return products to manufacturers so they sell them at the yardsale. Most of the stuff I have gotten still had original tags which means someone returned the product without ever wearing it.
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:58 am Post subject: Re: Tough pants suggestions
Really the solution is to go to Goodwill or a similar thrift shop. Jeans in your size can be hard to find there, but persistence usually turns the tide.
$4 jeans, even if they last only eight months, beat out $49 jeans that last umpteen years, hands down.
And "rock-climbing pants" sound REAL expensive. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: Tough pants suggestions
Yep, I get my clothes as the thrift shops, or make them. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: Tough pants suggestions
I just bought 8 pairs of MPTAC pants from www.botach.com, they have some great clearance sales. Got them for $6 per pair, they're about like 511 pants, designed for police type use. Lots of pockets, double reinforced knees, they've lasted real well for me and look kind of like Dockers with extra pockets so I can wear them to the office if so inclined.
Also, check out the footwear clearance section at botach, they have some 80-90 percent off sales there on quality boots. Bought 3 pair of Rocky boots, normally $130 each for $19 each from them.
I've seen some reports of problems with them on the net but I've ordered a number of times and have received top-notch customer service.
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Tough pants suggestions
bobaloo wrote:
I just bought 8 pairs of MPTAC pants from www.botach.com, they have some great clearance sales.
Just FYI, I've ordered from Botach before too and had no problems, but there are lots of people that have had big problems with Botach. They are reported to be one of the worst online merchants in terms of getting orders right and customer service. See here for some examples:http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Botach_Tactical _________________ "We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
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