Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Joined: May 10, 2007 Posts: 3358 Location: Resiliency Farm
Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: Re: Most people (will attempt to) prepare At the last moment
A Hurricane and a three day blizzard are very different things. Preparation for them is pretty much the same... some details differ but there is a lot of overlap.
Prepare for the overlap first, then for the specifics of various possibilities.
People are doing neither. Even if they prepared for the overlap today and then rushed with the specifics as the future bears itself out, that would be an improvement.
Before you can have plan b or c you need to prepare plan a. _________________ “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.”
J.R.R. Tolkien
"The time has come for men to act like men; and for women, well, to act a lot more like men."
-Ma Cur
Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Most people (will attempt to) prepare At the last moment
Ludi wrote:
This is the most common response I get when I bring up the issue of peak oil. "Someone will do something." It just never seems to occur to them that the "someone" might need to be themselves.
This is a key statement. Nobody worries about the problem as long as it does not affect them. They expect to continue their lifestyle without disruption until after the disruption occurs. By then, of course, its too late to prepare.
A couple years ago we had a hurricane bearing down on us here in north Florida. The winds outside the door are gusting to 40 MPH, trees are leaning hard, rain is coming down intermittently. After watching the weather channel update of the storm path expecting to buffet our town and make landfall 100 miles away within 12 hours, my brothers wife turned to my brother and asked "Do you think we should go buy some batteries?" They spent the next 2 weeks taking hot baths at my house, 4 miles away.
Unprepared is one thing. A complete inability to cope with a crisis is another thing altogether. Fema used to push for a 3 day supply of food in the house, have increased it to a weeks supply. Even the 3 day storage volume would be a stretch for many. The population is dependent on the system to keep operating. Shut down particular aspects of the system, just for a few days, lifestyles are impacted drastically. _________________ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever."
-George Orwell, 1984
Joined: Sep 16, 2007 Posts: 1473 Location: Oklahoma City, USA
Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: Most people (will attempt to) prepare At the last moment
I think eventually they will start fining those that FEMA has rescue after a storm. That's the only way people are going to change, is if there's some sort of consequence to their lack of preparation. _________________ Conservation is conservative
It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the ones most responsive to change. -- Charles Darwin
Joined: Oct 03, 2004 Posts: 566 Location: Washington State
Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: Most people (will attempt to) prepare At the last moment
RedStateGreen wrote:
I think eventually they will start fining those that FEMA has rescue after a storm. That's the only way people are going to change, is if there's some sort of consequence to their lack of preparation.
So the ubiquitous "they" will come up with a policy to make "them" behave like "we" think they should.
After "they" fine people, it will allow them to search residences to make sure "people" have a three to seven day supply of supplies to get through whatever emergency "they" decide is upon us. _________________ This is where everybody puts profound words written by another...or not so profound words written by themselves
Highlander 2007
Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: Most people (will attempt to) prepare At the last moment
"They" aren't going to do anything to help anyone. I think we saw how well "they" function with Katrina. The chances that any of the agencies that are supposed to deal with things will get it together are slim. I think that local authorities and state governments may be a lot better.
The Feds aren't going to be able to do anything. That's not their job, really.
Wait until TV goes digital and half the country doesn't even know what's going on. Then it will get interesting.
That happens in February. _________________ Deep in the mud and slime of things, even there, something sings.
Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Most people (will attempt to) prepare At the last moment
Prepare ? For what. Our alpha chimp said yesterday "Amerika has no problems". Therefore - we have no problems.
Me - their plan is to drive us into a wall at 500MPH. So for this to work best (i.e., "Amerika has no problems).
So again I ask - Prepare for what? Our global media outlets are run by 7 individuals. Think about that.
Most everyone hears the same thing most all the time. Talk about control.
We have politicians that say a high IQ is not required to be elected...really...while seated!!! Jay Hanson - the master - is right. PEOPLE ARE HARD WIRED TO CHEAT [.]
This mean that when disaster strikes...more than a few pair of eyeballs are going to be looking at what you have and how well you are defended...depending on how bad it gets (and I think really bad)...any risk will be worth taking. _________________ 500 MPH into a brick wall - me
Joined: Apr 06, 2006 Posts: 3626 Location: 3 miles NW of Champoeg, Republic of Cascadia
Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: Most people (will attempt to) prepare At the last moment
Revi - you're in New England and you think the big disaster on the horizon is the digital TV switchover???
Admittedly I don't check the news feed from Infowars, is there some sinister aspect of this I'm not aware of? Far as I know it has no effect on cable/satellite users, which are most of us. To receive open air signals you'll need a converter box for older models - big whoop.
Inability to purchase heating oil may really be disastrous for many this winter. We're already seeing headlines comparing the possible outcome to NOLA. Will be interesting to see what kinds of novel solutions communities find to cope - a chilly version of Cuba? Or perhaps the Fed will have to step in and allocate - interesting consequences in re: nationalization, state's rights, etc.
Maybe this will put the subject of peak oil in headlines? Naw...then again the price may have jacked back up by then...sure is hard to prepare for these price swings.
Everybody make sure to watch the Bill Maher interview at Roccland's link. Never mind if you don't like Bill, and it's only <1 minute, too. Good God. "You don't have to pass an IQ test to be in the Senate, heh heh heh...heh?" _________________ Cogito, ergo non satis bibivi
C'mon man, who're you gonna believe?
Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 4:46 am Post subject: Re: Most people (will attempt to) prepare At the last moment
I agree Dude. The lack of TV is the least of our problems. The big problem is the fact that the average LIHEAP benefit is going to be around $400 and that only buys around 100 gallons of heating oil. That will last people about a month around here. We have a 6 month heating season. It's going to be a mess.
I think most people will try to prepare at the last moment and there won't be any way that they can do it. We'll see what happens. It isn't going to be pretty.
Our governor has proposed warming centers where the people whose houses have frozen up move in and probably can't move out until April. I think a crash program of insulation and plastic would be a better move, but what do I know... _________________ Deep in the mud and slime of things, even there, something sings.
Joined: Mar 25, 2008 Posts: 890 Location: Alif Lam Mim
Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 6:04 am Post subject: Re: Most people (will attempt to) prepare At the last moment
Quote:
think it might be deeper than that. It is only a theory but it seems like a large percentage of a population at any place and at any time will take this kind of attitude
I forget what it's called, but this is a very common attribute. It works in everyday situations, not just major events like Rome burning or PO or hurricanes. When there's a car accident or some other event in which a person or two need to intercede, the larger the group that's watching, the LESS likely that anyone WILL help out. The reason is that every single person has it in their mind that someone else will get something done. When everyone has this, then NOTHING gets done.
That's basically what we have here. 300 million people in the US and everyone is looking to the person to their right to solve the problem. We end up with a circle jerk with nothing getting done. Even on this site, so few people are actually doing much right now (I can't because of lack of money, education and employment - same with others, I presume). We wind up with nearly everyone hoping for something to happen that will turn it around or at least soften the blow.
What's this psychological process called? _________________ Riches are not from abundance of worldly goods, but from a contented mind.
Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 6:32 am Post subject: Re: Most people (will attempt to) prepare At the last moment
Of course I agree with your assessment, Cur. Most people will try to do "something" at the last minute only to find that there's no way to do so.
Even those of us who are prep minded, given the current economy, risk not being as prepared as we would like, though. Several months have gone by with me trying to ramp up preps recently. I have accomplished some, but other things I have wanted to do have been pushed back because we simply can't afford what I want to do. The money is gone before the big projects get done. So they get put off for another month.
There will be some of us who KNOW we need to prepare, and have some preparations in place (better off than the average populace in that regard), but who don't have everything we know we need to have ready because finances simply don't permit it. At least, that is, if things get rapidly worse than they are now.
K
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 13191 Location: naive idiot fantasy world
Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 6:52 am Post subject: Re: Most people (will attempt to) prepare At the last moment
That's exactly our situation here, Kathy. There is so much I want to do but almost all of it requires what for us are quite large amounts of money, especially since everything is getting more expensive. It's horribly frustrating, knowing I should be getting some things like more water tanks and a PV well pump and panels, but, there simply isn't the budget for them. Client calls have dried up, so we may be out of work indefinitely, which means virtually no income. I am allergic to debt, so we can't just put things on the credit card. We don't buy anything unless we have money in the bank to pay for it. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:51 am Post subject: Re: Most people (will attempt to) prepare At the last moment
Ludi wrote:
I am allergic to debt, so we can't just put things on the credit card. We don't buy anything unless we have money in the bank to pay for it.
Ludi - if you knew with 100% certainity that a bone crushing systemic economic collapse - so severe martial law, banking holidays, new currency, mass shortages were all part of a basket of attempted fixes (in my mind none of them will arrest the effects of a crashed economy)...would you still hold on to this belief?
It is my opinion that our current economic model is already dead. the ruling elite are stalling for something, a specific date, event...
Clearly Paulsin (et al) knows that the "fixes" are not going to hold...the fixes of early this year have not held. F&F are dead.
Why is good credit desirable when very soon - NO ONE will be able to get credit? I have maintained for a while now that a FICO does not mean anything now and will not in the future. Isn't having tangibles a better plan? _________________ 500 MPH into a brick wall - me
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 13191 Location: naive idiot fantasy world
Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: Re: Most people (will attempt to) prepare At the last moment
Roccland wrote:
Ludi - if you knew with 100% certainity that a bone crushing systemic economic collapse - so severe martial law, banking holidays, new currency, mass shortages were all part of a basket of attempted fixes (in my mind none of them will arrest the effects of a crashed economy)...would you still hold on to this belief?
Yes, because the people in power, the bankers and credit companies, will exert every effort to stay in control and squeeze money out of the rest of us. I refuse to put myself more under the control of these people than I already am (I owe a smallish mortgage already, about $40,000).
I can easily believe the return of debtors' prisons and workhouses is possible. They will just have different names. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
Joined: Oct 16, 2004 Posts: 1281 Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Most people (will attempt to) prepare At the last moment
3aidlillahi wrote:
What's this psychological process called?
Denial. Could also be procrastination, but my understanding is that procrastination is often a symptom of denial. _________________ Kind regards, Katkinkate
"The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops,
but the cultivation and perfection of human beings."
Masanobu Fukuoka
Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: Re: Most people (will attempt to) prepare At the last moment
Ludi wrote:
I can easily believe the return of debtors' prisons and workhouses is possible. They will just have different names.
I agree. I also believe that these places will hold more then just people that "owe".
These place will be packaged as "food centers"...those whole held onto their credit score instead of buying food will show up here...to get your mark and your gruel.
I think tangibles are key - whether a shovel, bag of rice, mining claim to bug to, whatever.
Mike Ruppert believes that there will not be enough, manpower, equipment, fuel, and will to roll out an effective containment plan. The strategy will be "let them burn" ...salvagable infrastructure will be attempted to be protected...won't work... as long haul transmission and gas line cannot be protected.
I agree - with Mike. The tools required for the ruling elite to implement a mass containment plan will not be available...Katrina speaks to this.
Now - if one wants to stay off the radar for the initial phases of an attempted containment plan...being debt free may be a stategy. Then Jack's plan is implemented...join the perceived winning team.
Again - the world economies are crashing currently and credit is not being given out. Others should consider this current economic state of the world as they move forward. _________________ 500 MPH into a brick wall - me
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