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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:21 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hi Paddy,

I wouldn't worry too much about Ireland. If I'm correct you had a population of about 8 million people before the famine and the exodus.

That means that yor natural resources are capable of supporting a much larger population than you have now. It might mean that you have to fall back on spuds 'n butter, but as long as you can keep on drinking the black stuff you should be allright.

Besides you have excellent opportunities to build windfarms and hydroelectric power plants ( It's a pity that you can't convert rain to energy).

By the way, your alias is very well chosen if your going to attempt to ride a bike in Ireland. I thought only a suicidal tourist would do so Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:35 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

There have been quite a few threads re: telling people, a current one is here - http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic314-0-asc-0.html

As far as the gov I don’t know if anything gets through if it doesn’t have lots of potential voters or dollars attached and I don’t see how PO has either.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:15 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Smiley - regarding your comment on not being able to generate energy from rain, maybe there is a way.
When building a rain collection system ( which one will probably need anyway post peak ) why not develop a holding tank system that incorporates a micro micro hydroelectric generator ? Sporadic, yes, but a small source of electricity that would be a luxury.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 9:17 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Mad paddy I too am from Ireland and share your frustration at people’s reluctance to even accept the possibility of Peak Oil and the reaction of who is this mad f@+*?r. talking about the end of the world as we know it Judging by other posts on this forum it is not just an Irish phenomena, it seems to be common to all nationalities, greed’s and colours, people just don’t want to here that the gravy train might be ending full stop, human nature I suppose.
I’m from the North West of the country and I’m old enough to remember when the country was the country. Now it seems that every scrap of land and every wild place is being used to build a house. I have been amazed at the almost doubling in size of almost every small village in Donegal over the past seven years and the exponential rise in car use at the same time. When oil is $80 a barrel and interest rates are above 10% a lot of people here are going to be hurting big time but you can say that for a lot of other places in the world too.
On a political note I am of the conclusion that there is absolutely nothing any one individual or group can do to stop this globalisation madness. One thing all mainstream politicians have in common no matter what party is their blind faith in economic growth; it’s at the heart of all their manifestos if you look closely. The only thing that will change the status quo is a major sustained wake up call which I, and by the looks of things a lot of other people on this forum think is going to come sooner rather than later in the form of Peak Oil.

I used to spend a lot of time and energy making myself depressed by the state of the planet. It is a pointless exercise better to use your energy to prepare for the inevitable and necessary changes that are going to come to all of us if and when peak oil hits. As you say Ireland is in a much better position than other parts of the world to weather the storm. Call me morbid if you like but I welcome the coming changes because if something is not done to check our species we run the risk of destroying both ourselves and a lot of other life forms on the planet. Nature has a way of getting things back in harmony when she is pushed far enough.

LEANAN Your point on happiness is spot on. For most of my life I would be considered to be s*!t poor by this societies standards and I still am. Most of my happiest memories don’t involve having lots of lolly; they involve community involvement and nature. Just last week I met a complete stranger whilst fishing at one of my favourite lakes and ended up sharing his boat for the day, it was the best days fun I have had in years and cost absolutely nothing. The feeling of contentment I came away with that day could not have been bought for a £10000 and the three big wild trout was an extra bonus. Puts your faith back in human nature.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 3:33 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

JR wrote:
I remember somewhat of the energy crisis in the 70's.

Whats funny, lately. I turned 40 two weeks ago. Most women would be depressed about turning 40, wishing they were younger. I am depressed about 40, but wish I were older so that more of my life would be over and not have to deal with the ramifications of Peak Oil.


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You don't know how lucky you are. You've probably lived during a prime of civilization, the peak of luxury, indulgence, material wealth and pleasures of the flesh. I don't remember the 1970s or the 1980s, but I can remember a good deal of the 1990s and how good it was to live in those times, not to mention the good times today. Your generation has had more than a good fill of Western Civilization. For me, 40 hits in 2028 (if at all). I don't have any hard feeling towards you, because you aren't to blame, but I do envy you.
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